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Please spend the time to read the link before spreading FUD. “In order to use Ticket Tag, you simply place your finger on a reader. The system, which utilizes

by teej 9y ago

Please spend the time to read the link before spreading FUD. “In order to use Ticket Tag, you simply place your finger on a reader. The system, which utilizes the technology of biometrics, takes an image of your finger, converts the image into a unique numerical value and immediately discards the image. The numerical value is recalled when you use Ticket Tag with the same ticket to re-enter or visit another Park. Ticket Tag does not store fingerprints.”

master-litty 9y ago
That makes an outstanding difference, thank you for emphasizing that.
dmitrygr 9y ago
BigInt picToNumber(pic){ BigInt x = 0; for (int r=0;r<pic.w;r++) for (int c=0;c<pic.h;c++) x = (x*265)+pic.pixel(r,c); return x; } Yup...converts to number.. Unless they specify HOW, that means nothing. Anything is a number to a computer.
- tritium 9y ago
  Yeah, one terabyte is simply an absolutely gigantic octal value, with a trillion place settings. Perfect for storing a quantity of high resolution “unique numbers” which you might need to recall at some point, when you want to match them up with other oddly similar (but not precisely equal) high resolution unique numbers. I hear that you can convert images to “unique numbers” using a technique known as “lossless compression” but that stuff’s all way above my pay grade.
bluetwo 9y ago
Unless it fails. Then the teenager operating it needs to call over a manager, who looks up your previous park entrances on an iPad to make sure it is the same person. So, they've got your fingerprint and video of your face. (Personal experience)
candiodari 9y ago
So they store it in a way that they can compare any fingerprint they find/take an image of to your fingerprint ... That's SO reassuring. So nothing prevents them from taking the packages of their fries stand, get fingerprint images from them, figure out who it is, and send you an offer for 50% off the weight loss holiday package ? What exactly does privacy for fingerprints imply, except that people are not able to do exactly that ? And I don't mean that they won't. Privacy means they CAN'T. Not even if the next Disney CEO is Vladimir Putin.
- rtkwe 9y ago
  > So nothing prevents them from taking the packages of their fries stand, get fingerprint images from them, figure out who it is, and send you an offer for 50% off the weight loss holiday package ? This is what gets me about most arguments around privacy maximal-ism the end result especially for a company like Disney is ridiculously circuitous and could be easily achieved with much lower costs. Why in the world would they go through all that trouble when everyone is either on camera or paying with credit card/the Disney wristband.
  - nugi 9y ago
    You could commit any number of criminal acts in a more efficient manner, it does not make them any less criminal.
    - mynameisvlad 9y ago
      But it does mean that the less efficient manner will never be done, which was the parent comment's entire point. Sure, it may be hypothetically possible. But is it realistically going to happen? Of course not.
f2n 9y ago
So it's okay to have a fingerprint reader as long as you claim to do something to the effect of hashing the fingerprint?

by teej 9y ago

master-litty 9y ago

That makes an outstanding difference, thank you for emphasizing that.

dmitrygr 9y ago

BigInt picToNumber(pic){ BigInt x = 0; for (int r=0;r<pic.w;r++) for (int c=0;c<pic.h;c++) x = (x*265)+pic.pixel(r,c); return x; } Yup...converts to number.. Unless they specify HOW, that means nothing. Anything is a number to a computer.

tritium 9y ago
Yeah, one terabyte is simply an absolutely gigantic octal value, with a trillion place settings. Perfect for storing a quantity of high resolution “unique numbers” which you might need to recall at some point, when you want to match them up with other oddly similar (but not precisely equal) high resolution unique numbers. I hear that you can convert images to “unique numbers” using a technique known as “lossless compression” but that stuff’s all way above my pay grade.

bluetwo 9y ago

Unless it fails. Then the teenager operating it needs to call over a manager, who looks up your previous park entrances on an iPad to make sure it is the same person. So, they've got your fingerprint and video of your face. (Personal experience)

candiodari 9y ago

So they store it in a way that they can compare any fingerprint they find/take an image of to your fingerprint ... That's SO reassuring. So nothing prevents them from taking the packages of their fries stand, get fingerprint images from them, figure out who it is, and send you an offer for 50% off the weight loss holiday package ? What exactly does privacy for fingerprints imply, except that people are not able to do exactly that ? And I don't mean that they won't. Privacy means they CAN'T. Not even if the next Disney CEO is Vladimir Putin.

rtkwe 9y ago
> So nothing prevents them from taking the packages of their fries stand, get fingerprint images from them, figure out who it is, and send you an offer for 50% off the weight loss holiday package ? This is what gets me about most arguments around privacy maximal-ism the end result especially for a company like Disney is ridiculously circuitous and could be easily achieved with much lower costs. Why in the world would they go through all that trouble when everyone is either on camera or paying with credit card/the Disney wristband.
- nugi 9y ago
  You could commit any number of criminal acts in a more efficient manner, it does not make them any less criminal.
  - mynameisvlad 9y ago
    But it does mean that the less efficient manner will never be done, which was the parent comment's entire point. Sure, it may be hypothetically possible. But is it realistically going to happen? Of course not.

f2n 9y ago

So it's okay to have a fingerprint reader as long as you claim to do something to the effect of hashing the fingerprint?