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COCs are virtue signaling at best (as mentioned in checklist items) and a catch all most for immature behavior at worst. Really, it would help if we could

COCs are virtue signaling at best (as mentioned in checklist items) and a catch ~~all~~ most for immature behavior at worst. Really, it would help if we could trust adults to be adults, or at least 16 year olds, but this speaks to bigger industry and societal problems. Recently, I heard conference attendees bragging of how they messed up a presentation by trying to connect to the bluetooth device being demonstrated. And I've been lucky to have never worked at a place where changing the background to pornography or setting an inappropriate facebook status was a thing. The truth is that the tech industry (among others) still has people who are less mature than the people at lan parties I went to when I was 14-16.

polemic 9y ago
> COCs are virtue signaling at best Well, it's virtue signalling at _worst_. Which is to say, the worst case is you're signalling virtues with no intention of upholding those values. Secondly, virtue signalling is, you know, useful. If you are clear about your values and the values you expect in others, then you've at least stated an intention to do better.
ncallaway 9y ago
Nearly every form of communication is a form of signaling your values in one way or another ("virtue signaling"). Your post is filled with things that signal your virtues. Why is virtue signaling bad? How is it not just a standard part of humans communicating with each other?
- Vendan 9y ago
  Virtue signaling has become a perjorative term: "In recent years, the term has become more commonly used as a pejorative characterization by commentators to criticize what they regard as empty, or superficial support of certain political views, and also used within groups to criticize their own members for valuing outward appearance over substantive action. ... Examples of behavior described as virtue signalling include changing Facebook profile pictures to support a cause, participation in the Ice Bucket Challenge, offering thoughts and prayers after a tragedy, celebrity speeches during award shows, politicians pandering to constituents on ideological issues."
  - ncallaway 9y ago
    I guess a code of conduct is literally virtue signaling _with the express purpose of signaling the virtues the community will tolerate_. It's like looking at a profit and loss sheet, and perjoritivity calling it a "economic document". That's literally just what it is doing, and it's stated purpose for existing.
    - Vendan 9y ago
      if the profit and loss sheet was pulled from some other company, and doesn't accurately represent the company? I'd call that lying, and there'd probably be people going to jail. That's why this is being negatively referred to as virtue signaling: "That line that made you feel like you'd get something out of the event was nothing else than an useless talking point copied of some checklist that made the organizers of the event feel like they are doing the right thing."
- smileysteve 9y ago
  While you are correct, the context (at best, checklist) were to imply that it is "JUST" virtue signaling with little purpose beyond that; and in many cases, with attendees and organizers that pay as much thought to it as an iTunes Terms of Service agreement.
EamonnMR 9y ago
I'm beginning to think that the use of the term "virtue signaling" is itself a form of virtue signaling.
- eeZah7Ux 9y ago
  Indeed, people seem to use "virtue signaling" to easily dismiss someone behavior while sounding smart. It's a conversation killer.
  - smileysteve 9y ago
    It could also be said that it is introspective. -- are we just adding this so that people will attend, we won't be protested, am I just agreeing to this so that I can attend -- or do we actually believe in it. To emphasize the rest of my post and my anecdotes; we have to post a sign that says we expect people to be professionals, yet conference attendees continue to lack maturity.

COCs are virtue signaling at best (as mentioned in checklist items) and a catch ~~all~~ most for immature behavior at worst. Really, it would help if we could

polemic 9y ago

> COCs are virtue signaling at best Well, it's virtue signalling at _worst_. Which is to say, the worst case is you're signalling virtues with no intention of upholding those values. Secondly, virtue signalling is, you know, useful. If you are clear about your values and the values you expect in others, then you've at least stated an intention to do better.

ncallaway 9y ago

Nearly every form of communication is a form of signaling your values in one way or another ("virtue signaling"). Your post is filled with things that signal your virtues. Why is virtue signaling bad? How is it not just a standard part of humans communicating with each other?

Vendan 9y ago
Virtue signaling has become a perjorative term: "In recent years, the term has become more commonly used as a pejorative characterization by commentators to criticize what they regard as empty, or superficial support of certain political views, and also used within groups to criticize their own members for valuing outward appearance over substantive action. ... Examples of behavior described as virtue signalling include changing Facebook profile pictures to support a cause, participation in the Ice Bucket Challenge, offering thoughts and prayers after a tragedy, celebrity speeches during award shows, politicians pandering to constituents on ideological issues."
- ncallaway 9y ago
  I guess a code of conduct is literally virtue signaling _with the express purpose of signaling the virtues the community will tolerate_. It's like looking at a profit and loss sheet, and perjoritivity calling it a "economic document". That's literally just what it is doing, and it's stated purpose for existing.
  - Vendan 9y ago
    if the profit and loss sheet was pulled from some other company, and doesn't accurately represent the company? I'd call that lying, and there'd probably be people going to jail. That's why this is being negatively referred to as virtue signaling: "That line that made you feel like you'd get something out of the event was nothing else than an useless talking point copied of some checklist that made the organizers of the event feel like they are doing the right thing."
smileysteve 9y ago
While you are correct, the context (at best, checklist) were to imply that it is "JUST" virtue signaling with little purpose beyond that; and in many cases, with attendees and organizers that pay as much thought to it as an iTunes Terms of Service agreement.

EamonnMR 9y ago

I'm beginning to think that the use of the term "virtue signaling" is itself a form of virtue signaling.

eeZah7Ux 9y ago
Indeed, people seem to use "virtue signaling" to easily dismiss someone behavior while sounding smart. It's a conversation killer.
- smileysteve 9y ago
  It could also be said that it is introspective. -- are we just adding this so that people will attend, we won't be protested, am I just agreeing to this so that I can attend -- or do we actually believe in it. To emphasize the rest of my post and my anecdotes; we have to post a sign that says we expect people to be professionals, yet conference attendees continue to lack maturity.