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It seems like the point of the article is not sufficient to make a community feel welcoming and safe. Which is a great point: lots of shitty communities have a

It seems like the point of the article is not sufficient to make a community feel welcoming and safe. Which is a great point: lots of shitty communities have a Code of Conduct that's ignored. That doesn't mean a Code of Conduct is not a necessary step. Teaching people to be good members of your community, and being proactive in removing bad members, isn't possible until you define what that means.

matte_black 9y ago
There can’t be effective learning if there aren’t clear and public post mortems on instances where the Code of Conduct was violated or wrongly invoked and what the correct action should have been. No one really does this. I was at a conference once where someone was arrested and taken away in handcuffs. To this day I have no clue what he could have done to realistically end up in that situation besides physical assault.
- TillE 9y ago
  If somebody was arrested, it's obviously because they were believed to have committed a crime. There are many crimes available. Codes of conduct are generally about behavior that isn't criminal, because once you've crossed that line the appropriate response should be obvious.
- Trombone12 9y ago
  Maybe they didn't have a green card or something? Honestly, action by law enforcement is unlikely to be due to a Code of Conduct except as a trigger for violent behaviour.
ekianjo 9y ago
> Teaching people to be good members of your community, and being proactive in removing bad members, isn't possible until you define what that means. Maybe you also have to realize that, just like human societies in general, no community is ever going to be perfect, and focusing too much on rules,rules,rules, can become counter-productive.
aleister_777 9y ago
Would a code of conduct for your life make you feel safer? Or would you rather just deal with people the same way you have up until now?
anon6357814 9y ago
> That doesn't mean a Code of Conduct is not a necessary step. I doubt that necessary is the correct choice of words here.
type0 9y ago
> That doesn't mean a Code of Conduct is not a necessary step. It isn't. > and being proactive in removing bad members, isn't possible until you define what that means. What does it mean to be a bad member, unless you write a whole encyclopedia about your CoC it will always be open to interpretation - that's just a nature of social interactions (and if you do no one will ever read such a long document). It give's the opportunity for a CoC committee to thought police individuals that they disagree with. I just wish people that come up with this politicized BS were acting less cowardly and stopped being high on their own morale. I'm not saying that some community guidelines can't be useful, but CoC and committee systems are downright abhorrent.

matte_black 9y ago

There can’t be effective learning if there aren’t clear and public post mortems on instances where the Code of Conduct was violated or wrongly invoked and what the correct action should have been. No one really does this. I was at a conference once where someone was arrested and taken away in handcuffs. To this day I have no clue what he could have done to realistically end up in that situation besides physical assault.

TillE 9y ago
If somebody was arrested, it's obviously because they were believed to have committed a crime. There are many crimes available. Codes of conduct are generally about behavior that isn't criminal, because once you've crossed that line the appropriate response should be obvious.
Trombone12 9y ago
Maybe they didn't have a green card or something? Honestly, action by law enforcement is unlikely to be due to a Code of Conduct except as a trigger for violent behaviour.

ekianjo 9y ago

> Teaching people to be good members of your community, and being proactive in removing bad members, isn't possible until you define what that means. Maybe you also have to realize that, just like human societies in general, no community is ever going to be perfect, and focusing too much on rules,rules,rules, can become counter-productive.

aleister_777 9y ago

Would a code of conduct for your life make you feel safer? Or would you rather just deal with people the same way you have up until now?

anon6357814 9y ago

> That doesn't mean a Code of Conduct is not a necessary step. I doubt that necessary is the correct choice of words here.

type0 9y ago

> That doesn't mean a Code of Conduct is not a necessary step. It isn't. > and being proactive in removing bad members, isn't possible until you define what that means. What does it mean to be a bad member, unless you write a whole encyclopedia about your CoC it will always be open to interpretation - that's just a nature of social interactions (and if you do no one will ever read such a long document). It give's the opportunity for a CoC committee to thought police individuals that they disagree with. I just wish people that come up with this politicized BS were acting less cowardly and stopped being high on their own morale. I'm not saying that some community guidelines can't be useful, but CoC and committee systems are downright abhorrent.