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With the benefit of hindsight, I think “free-form platforms” like reddit or youtube may be the road to mediocrity. Youtube is still the major player even thoug
by dalbasal 9y ago
With the benefit of hindsight, I think “free-form platforms” like reddit or youtube may be the road to mediocrity.
Youtube is still the major player even though twitter, Facebook & netflix grew around them. It is less opinionated on how video should be consumed. Less opinionated on what should be consumed. Anyone can post. Anyone can see it.
Problem is, youtube doesn’t really have a purpose that it is trying to serve. At least not an obvious one. It has a lot of content. It’s searchable (I hate that the web is no longer searchable..). It’s the obvious place to put stuff. It’s everywhere. But…
The platform does not distinguish between the lazy mashup with a clickbait headline and the youtuber making original content for people who would really miss it, and could not get it anywhere else. No preference. No values. No taste. No goal. Just views. One content is as good as the next. Monetisation reinforced this, as did the partial rollback.
Go to the youtube homepage now. Is the content good? Read the comments. If the conversation interesting?
In the middle is Facebook. It started off highly opinionated. Use real names (big deal at the time). Connect to your real friends. Watch their videos and read their posts.
Over time though, Facebook has lost opinions. Stuff is stuff. Views, likes, pokes, plays and comments. Features that get users doing more stuff, they win. This caused their political pickle. Political baiting gets lots of views, likes, pokes, plays and comments. So, as they “optimized” for more stuff, that’s the stuff they got.
On the other end of the spectrum are wikipedia and stack overflow (for example). Highly opinionated. Wikipedia is for XYZ. Stackoverflow is for ABC. If you want something else, go someplace else.
HN is opinionated too. It takes effort to avoid comment threads full of bullbaiting an even more to avoid a flood of one liners.
So Reddit… Reddit did avoid uniformity, that’s a nice way of putting it. It has values. It has things (e.g. censorship) that it does not want to do. But, I feel it still lacks purpose. What does Reddit actually want, what’s the ideal comment or post or sub reddit?
Personally, I would love more HN-like places, more wikipedia like places, places with a job to do.
gdubs has an excellent comment about what Reddit is doing wrong (promoting impulse gut reactions), and I suspect it’s related. When you don’t have an opinion about what you are trying to do or be, and so you’ll tend to end up with whatever is cheap. It happened to youtube and it happened to Facebook.
- jeffreyrogers 9y agoI don't know about youtube. There's a lot of really interesting, useful stuff from people who just want to share a bit of what they know about some niche topic. If you know what you're looking for youtube is a great resources. But if you're just trying to browse to find fun stuff in your free time, then I guess it's not as useful. I agree that a lot of the bigger channels get worse as they make videos primarily to get views. Although I think this is true of most content producers: You only have so much good material, but it's hard to quit when there's still money to be made at the margins.
- dalbasal 9y agoI don't disagree, but I think we might be talking past eachother. Youtube definitely does have a lot of really interesting, useful stuff. There's some stuff that's fantastic. That's the stuff I want them (youtube) to value more highly. Some (most) of it is interesting and useful to people who aren't me. I'm not even commenting on youtubers disingenuously leaning into controversy or whatnot to get views. What I'm saying is that there is a lot of stuff that isn't. Youtube does not seem to have an opinion about what is good or bad, at least not beyond view count. Have a look at their homepage. Is it good? Does it give a special place to the things youtube does uniquely well? To me, it just looks like a random collection of videos and a lowest common denominator theme. Structuring youtube as a video db, with search... that's great. I like that. It means you can narrow down to the point where the lowest common denominator is relatively high, but I feel like youtube would prefer me to just watch some scandal outrage news clip or a show clip or something.
- dredmorbius 9y agoThe principle that mass platforms breed mediocrity is an old one. Dwight MacDonald's "A Theory of Mass Culture" (1953) is some decades old, but still among the more recent additions to this field. https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2008/ESB032/um/5136660/MacDonald_-_A_Theory_of_Mass_Culture.pdf https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2008/ESB032/um/5136660/MacDon...