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The author also makes a few contradictions. They need less surveillance because there's more "eyes" on the ground, and yet the biggest walkable cities that com

The author also makes a few contradictions. They need less surveillance because there's more "eyes" on the ground, and yet the biggest walkable cities that come to mind, nyc and London are the most heavily surveiled on the planet. big walkable urban areas also happen to be less safe from crime, rather than safer as the author asserts.

crispyporkbites 9y ago
> big walkable urban areas also happen to be less safe from crime, rather than safer as the author asserts. citation?
- gowld 9y ago
  population density ("urbanness") correlates with crime rate. "Big" and "walkable" do not, as far as I know. https://nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/pressure-cooker-higher-population-densities-increase-crime/ https://nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/pressure-cooke...
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    How do you tease them out though? The walkability guys are talking about making living spaces denser, after all.
IWeldMelons 9y ago
Dunno, NYC is safer than many, many non-walkable cities.
CalRobert 9y ago
You definitely need a citation if you're going to make a claim like walkable areas are less safe from crime. However, we've also legalized killing people with your car if it's an accident (or you can plausibly claim such). It's not technically a crime, but it's still a bummer. The US has around 32000ish auto deaths a year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in... It has around 15000ish murders per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... I suppose that a few of those are vehicular homicide, but most aren't. I quite like not being killed while I walk or cycle, and it looks like it makes sense to focus on not getting killed by cars.

crispyporkbites 9y ago

> big walkable urban areas also happen to be less safe from crime, rather than safer as the author asserts. citation?

gowld 9y ago
population density ("urbanness") correlates with crime rate. "Big" and "walkable" do not, as far as I know. https://nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/pressure-cooker-higher-population-densities-increase-crime/ https://nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/pressure-cooke...
- emodendroket 9y ago
  How do you tease them out though? The walkability guys are talking about making living spaces denser, after all.

IWeldMelons 9y ago

Dunno, NYC is safer than many, many non-walkable cities.

CalRobert 9y ago

You definitely need a citation if you're going to make a claim like walkable areas are less safe from crime. However, we've also legalized killing people with your car if it's an accident (or you can plausibly claim such). It's not technically a crime, but it's still a bummer. The US has around 32000ish auto deaths a year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in... It has around 15000ish murders per year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... I suppose that a few of those are vehicular homicide, but most aren't. I quite like not being killed while I walk or cycle, and it looks like it makes sense to focus on not getting killed by cars.