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'Mini code bootcamp' suggests that your target audience is people looking for careers? What are the end employment results like for all the participants? For i
by randomdata 9y ago
'Mini code bootcamp' suggests that your target audience is people looking for careers? What are the end employment results like for all the participants?
For instance, are MOOC students more likely to not complete the course because they have already found work in the meantime? Perhaps because they have more freedom to look for work during business hours, for example, rather than sitting in on a live class during the optimal employment search time?
If the goal is to find work, there is no incentive to keep going in the course after you have met your goal.
- brudgers 9y agoThe student handbook for the author's school suggests a graduate should expect to spend three to six months applying for five jobs a day. That's about 500 to a 1000 applications following six months of 45 hours a week at their online school.
- ThrustVectoring 9y agoFive per day is a pretty low application rate for what it's worth. You can get through twenty in an hour if you're organized and motivated.
- brudgers 9y agoThat's thousands per month. See: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/06/finding-great-developers-2/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/09/06/finding-great-deve...
- watwut 9y agoClasses for this crowd (older non-traditional students) tend to be in the evening or during weekend. Because they have jobs, education is not something they do while they are unemployed with intention to drop it the moment they find jobs. Through, major reason why they drop out is that handling work, family and school and harder, more demotivating and more tiresome then handling just school. Beyond broadening access, if you have to be somewhere in person you have to make it priority at that time - and you are not interrupted while you are there. In home study is very easily interrupted and easy to postpone due to other very real duties until it is too late. The motivation hit from meeting other students is also missing.
- austenallred 9y agoThe "mini code bootcamp" doesn't prepare people for jobs, it is a "miniature" version of code bootcamps. It actually only prepares you to begin our full computer science academy, which is six months long. If you want the stats for our full computer science academy I can give you those; they're good. 50% hired within one month, median $90k salary.
- randomdata 9y agoThanks for the clarification. I'm still most interested in the results of the 'failures'. What did the people who failed to compete the MOOCs end up doing? How about those who succeeded with the mini live classes, but did not continue into your full program?
- austenallred 9y agoI don’t have a good sense for what the “failures” went on to do, they fall off our radar.
- randomdata 9y agoThat is unfortunate, although I understand the practical reasons for why that is the case. However, how do we resolve the bias of only looking at the success stories? What if all of the 'failures' also went on to $90k average development jobs within the first month of quitting the MOOC? $90k developer jobs are not exactly difficult to come by in the current market to anyone who has expressed an interest in programming. The fact that they were willing to try a code bootcamp MOOC puts them miles ahead of the general population.
- austenallred 9y agoAs I stated above, we've A/B tested it with random samples, but it's hard to get any data on "failure to complete" populations because of obvious sampling bias