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Git Community PM at Microsoft here: I'm very impressed by Facebook's source control team in general (and Mononoke in particular). They're doing a lot of intere

Git Community PM at Microsoft here: I'm very impressed by Facebook's source control team in general (and Mononoke in particular). They're doing a lot of interesting things, and they've developed a very opinionated workflow about working in their monorepo that is very helpful for their workflows. Another comment suggests that there's "fierce competition" in the version control space. In fact, I think that there's fierce collaboration in the version control space! Durham Goode from their team gave an interesting talk at Git Merge 2017 about how they're using Hg and some of the interesting user-experience tools that they've built on top of it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0lo9MOBetEGRAJzoTCdco_fOKDfhqaOY&v=gOVD-DrUpwQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0lo9MOBetEGRAJzoTCdco_fOK... I don't personally prefer Mercurial (I like Git, as you might have guessed), but I think that there's some opportunities to learn from their user experiences and perhaps add or improve some high-level Git commands.

rattray 9y ago
While you're here, can you say anything about when beta users outside of MSFT/GH might be able to try GVFS? Do you think GVFS will also be able to support "thousands of commits an hour"? (It prominently claims to support "millions of files").
- stolee 9y ago
  Your second question about "thousands of commits an hour" is actually a server scale question, as opposed to a GVFS question. The main difference is that GVFS is primarily client software plus some extra server protocols that a server must support. I find the "thousands of commits an hour" measurement to be conflating multiple things. I'll split out my expectations in our experience with the Windows repo. The Windows repository is hosted in VSTS and handles over 4,000 developers doing their daily work. This includes an average of 3,000+ pushes per day via the Git protocol. Each push may include multiple commits. At least 2,300+ pull requests are completed per day, which creates a new merge commit each time. Also, the build machines run daily and kick off a push as their first action to update a version number. This creates 250+ parallel pushes within a 10 second window, so a spike of concurrent pushes are supported by VSTS.
  - rattray 9y ago
    Thanks, that's very helpful color! (Plus, a nice ad for VSTS – well done).
jsgf 9y ago
Tech lead of Mononoke here. Thanks for your comments! The experience of using Mercurial within FB is quite different from the stock open source one. We have many local extensions, as well as integrations with the rest of our developer infrastructure. We're definitely optimizing for the linear-history monorepo model. We don't see things as a competition between hg and git, but between good developer experiences and bad. Thus far, we've found it easier to improve the developer experience with hg than with git, so that have been our main focus. But we feel we're reaching the limits of what we can do with hg, which is why we're investing in Mononoke. We feel that version control in general has been pretty stagnant, and we're hoping to do some neat stuff over the next few years (based on Mononoke and other projects).

rattray 9y ago

While you're here, can you say anything about when beta users outside of MSFT/GH might be able to try GVFS? Do you think GVFS will also be able to support "thousands of commits an hour"? (It prominently claims to support "millions of files").

stolee 9y ago
Your second question about "thousands of commits an hour" is actually a server scale question, as opposed to a GVFS question. The main difference is that GVFS is primarily client software plus some extra server protocols that a server must support. I find the "thousands of commits an hour" measurement to be conflating multiple things. I'll split out my expectations in our experience with the Windows repo. The Windows repository is hosted in VSTS and handles over 4,000 developers doing their daily work. This includes an average of 3,000+ pushes per day via the Git protocol. Each push may include multiple commits. At least 2,300+ pull requests are completed per day, which creates a new merge commit each time. Also, the build machines run daily and kick off a push as their first action to update a version number. This creates 250+ parallel pushes within a 10 second window, so a spike of concurrent pushes are supported by VSTS.
- rattray 9y ago
  Thanks, that's very helpful color! (Plus, a nice ad for VSTS – well done).

jsgf 9y ago

Tech lead of Mononoke here. Thanks for your comments! The experience of using Mercurial within FB is quite different from the stock open source one. We have many local extensions, as well as integrations with the rest of our developer infrastructure. We're definitely optimizing for the linear-history monorepo model. We don't see things as a competition between hg and git, but between good developer experiences and bad. Thus far, we've found it easier to improve the developer experience with hg than with git, so that have been our main focus. But we feel we're reaching the limits of what we can do with hg, which is why we're investing in Mononoke. We feel that version control in general has been pretty stagnant, and we're hoping to do some neat stuff over the next few years (based on Mononoke and other projects).