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What about a diet with completely unprocessed meats and plants? Basically, a diet entirely devoid of processed foods? I bet that would be equally anti-inflamma

by Valmar 9y ago

What about a diet with completely unprocessed meats and plants? Basically, a diet entirely devoid of processed foods? I bet that would be equally anti-inflammatory, and be good for heart health.

cies 9y ago
Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. Same for the saturated fats in meat (not even to speak of dairy), which are rarely found in plants. Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. Looking for a "good for health" diet: see WFPB.
- Valmar 9y ago
  > Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. > Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. These claims don't even seem remotely scientific, lol.
  - cies 9y ago
    > Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. https://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein https://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein There are so many studies on this. > Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. Your right here. You may call rotting on all things passing our colon. But rotting meat is just a little more "dangerous" I guess. Again, your right: no science to back up this claim I could find.
    - pakitan 9y ago
      Our small intestine is long, compared to the colon, precisely because we've evolved on meat-based diet. By the time the "meat" reaches the colon, there is barely anything left because the nutrients are absorbed by the small intestine. As opposed to our cousins the apes, who have larger colon and shorter small intestine because they evolved on a plant-based diet.
      - cies 9y ago
        But what if we human/compare ape guts with true omni guts (bear/wolf/swine), or true carnivore (cats) mammals? Would you say this kind of chart is not true? http://creationislove.com/wp-content/uploads/comparative-anatomy-of-frugivore-768x1299.jpg http://creationislove.com/wp-content/uploads/comparative-ana... Just being inquisitive here... I want to learn.
Broken_Hippo 9y ago
"Basically, a diet entirely devoid of processed foods?" Processing isn't all bad. In fact, the most basic processing brought great gains to humanity: Cooking. It made meat less dangerous to eat and frees up nutrients in some vegetables. Sometimes, processing is what allows us to eat a food (acorns, for example) or lets us get through the winter (drying, fermenting, and whatnot). Similarly, freezing foods isn't such a bad thing. Be it freezing fruits and vegetables or freezing leftover home made soup. You don't need lots of preservatives nor special ingredients to do this either at home nor with commercially prepared foods. Milk products are keen to be processed as well. Cheeses, yogurts, and so on aren't bad things to eat. Pasteurization keeps milk available longer. Processed doesn't mean bad, its just a few of the things we've come up with aren't so wonderful.
- corpMaverick 9y ago
  It begs the question. What do people mean what they say processed foods ? Other than what you have already mentioned. (cooking, freezing and pasteurization .
  - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
    I'm pretty sure folks generally mean highly processed foods - high fructose corn syrup, for example, and some modern vegetable fats. This is pretty vague, of course. And sometimes folks include older methods such as making sausages and bacon to it. They could mean something like mycoprotein (quorn branded meat replacements) or pea protein based meat replacements (Beyond meat, for example), though those hardly seem to be in the same sort of category even though they seem pretty processed. The question is why I bring up the processing that we make good use of, actually. :)

by Valmar 9y ago

What about a diet with completely unprocessed meats and plants? Basically, a diet entirely devoid of processed foods? I bet that would be equally anti-inflammatory, and be good for heart health.

cies 9y ago

Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. Same for the saturated fats in meat (not even to speak of dairy), which are rarely found in plants. Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. Looking for a "good for health" diet: see WFPB.

Valmar 9y ago
> Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. > Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. These claims don't even seem remotely scientific, lol.
- cies 9y ago
  > Animal proteins are inflammatory, as they contain sulfur based amino acids. So meat is going to inflame. https://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein https://nutritionstudies.org/animal-vs-plant-protein There are so many studies on this. > Finally out intestine is too long, and not acidic enough to meat, it may rot in our intestine causing inflammation. Your right here. You may call rotting on all things passing our colon. But rotting meat is just a little more "dangerous" I guess. Again, your right: no science to back up this claim I could find.
  - pakitan 9y ago
    Our small intestine is long, compared to the colon, precisely because we've evolved on meat-based diet. By the time the "meat" reaches the colon, there is barely anything left because the nutrients are absorbed by the small intestine. As opposed to our cousins the apes, who have larger colon and shorter small intestine because they evolved on a plant-based diet.
    - cies 9y ago
      But what if we human/compare ape guts with true omni guts (bear/wolf/swine), or true carnivore (cats) mammals? Would you say this kind of chart is not true? http://creationislove.com/wp-content/uploads/comparative-anatomy-of-frugivore-768x1299.jpg http://creationislove.com/wp-content/uploads/comparative-ana... Just being inquisitive here... I want to learn.

Broken_Hippo 9y ago

"Basically, a diet entirely devoid of processed foods?" Processing isn't all bad. In fact, the most basic processing brought great gains to humanity: Cooking. It made meat less dangerous to eat and frees up nutrients in some vegetables. Sometimes, processing is what allows us to eat a food (acorns, for example) or lets us get through the winter (drying, fermenting, and whatnot). Similarly, freezing foods isn't such a bad thing. Be it freezing fruits and vegetables or freezing leftover home made soup. You don't need lots of preservatives nor special ingredients to do this either at home nor with commercially prepared foods. Milk products are keen to be processed as well. Cheeses, yogurts, and so on aren't bad things to eat. Pasteurization keeps milk available longer. Processed doesn't mean bad, its just a few of the things we've come up with aren't so wonderful.

corpMaverick 9y ago
It begs the question. What do people mean what they say processed foods ? Other than what you have already mentioned. (cooking, freezing and pasteurization .
- Broken_Hippo 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure folks generally mean highly processed foods - high fructose corn syrup, for example, and some modern vegetable fats. This is pretty vague, of course. And sometimes folks include older methods such as making sausages and bacon to it. They could mean something like mycoprotein (quorn branded meat replacements) or pea protein based meat replacements (Beyond meat, for example), though those hardly seem to be in the same sort of category even though they seem pretty processed. The question is why I bring up the processing that we make good use of, actually. :)