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Bespin is now Mozilla Skywriter, moves to GitHub

75 points by js4all 16y ago

JoelSutherland 16y ago
To say that this project is awesome is a HUGE understatement. We are currently using it in our upcoming CMS (http://www.gethifi.com http://www.gethifi.com) as an in-browser text editor. It looks and behaves great: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gethifi/4952045778/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gethifi/4952045778/ They are currently trying to get it to work on the iPad/mobile safari. That could quickly make the iPad a reasonable mobile development environment.
- js4all 16y ago
  Agreed, it's huge. And there is more to come due to the flexible plug-in model. BTW. The mockup of your CMS looks impressive.
  - JoelSutherland 16y ago
    Thanks! It's actually not a mockup -- that is running live as is everything in that Flickr account. We're actually in our last stage of heavy development. We've got ~35 sites running on the system now and will soon be able to open it up.
    - pquerna 16y ago
      Open source or something else?
- xal 16y ago
  yay liquid.
- fierarul 16y ago
  As long as the editor doesn't actually have code completion and code folding it's not an IDE. I was very enthusiastic when I first heard about Bespin but after installing the thing locally I saw it's basically just a syntax highlight layer. I would love to see a true browser-based IDE but Bespin isn't that just yet. I see how it works for a CMS but it won't replace NetBeans or Eclipse very soon.
  - STHayden 16y ago
    I don't there is a reason to loose enthusiasm. I've talked with the bespin team and they know they have along way to go. Just because it's not feature complete doesn't mean it sucks. It seems like they have built a strong base. Some cool projects have adopted it. And it seems like in a year or two it might even have a really strong feature set. So I'm excited even if I don't use it much currently.
kingkilr 16y ago
Idea for it that me and a friend had: often times when new users need help in IRC they paste some code, and make some changes, and repaste etc to show what their issue is. The idea is to write a plugin for editors that, at a click of a button, live streams the content to bespin^Wskywriter and they can just link the "view into the editor" to IRC so people can see the code in a real time way. Then when they're done they can kill the "view".
- js4all 16y ago
  Great idea. What you are describing sounds like a combination of EtherPad and Skywriter.
  - jackolas 16y ago
    And gist.
rblion 16y ago
Really cool name, logo, and concept.
aaronblohowiak 16y ago
Any plan for IE support?
- js4all 16y ago
  No, there is no plan to support current IE. Skywriter relies on the <canvas> element and makes heavy use of html5.
  - ElbertF 16y ago
    IE9 will support the canvas element.
- dangoor 16y ago
  As soon as IE supports everything Skywriter uses, we'll be happy to support it... Right now, that means Canvas, Web Workers and CSS3 Flexible Box Model. The latter two are not yet supported by IE9, I believe.
nitrogen 16y ago
At first I have to admit I didn't quite get the point of Bespin, but I've realized its incredible power as I've come to appreciate the web as a viable platform for most applications. I will probably use it when I transition one of my current projects to the web, and look forward to seeing what others do with it. I have only one complaint so far: alt+left/right is used to move by words instead of the more common ctrl+left/right. [This comment was edited with Bespin bookmarklet]
- js4all 16y ago
  Kudos for using the bookmarklet. :) The whole point of Skywriter is the underlying totally new architecture: The use of canvas, incredibly fast rendering and unlimited editing file size. No other textarea-based editor can do that. When it comes to editing source code in the browser, there are often 5000 and more Lines. Other editors slow down or can't even handle such many lines.

75 points by js4all 16y ago

To say that this project is awesome is a HUGE understatement. We are currently using it in our upcoming CMS (http://www.gethifi.com http://www.gethifi.com) as an in-browser text editor. It looks and behaves great: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gethifi/4952045778/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gethifi/4952045778/ They are currently trying to get it to work on the iPad/mobile safari. That could quickly make the iPad a reasonable mobile development environment.

js4all 16y ago
Agreed, it's huge. And there is more to come due to the flexible plug-in model. BTW. The mockup of your CMS looks impressive.
- JoelSutherland 16y ago
  Thanks! It's actually not a mockup -- that is running live as is everything in that Flickr account. We're actually in our last stage of heavy development. We've got ~35 sites running on the system now and will soon be able to open it up.
  - pquerna 16y ago
    Open source or something else?
xal 16y ago
yay liquid.
fierarul 16y ago
As long as the editor doesn't actually have code completion and code folding it's not an IDE. I was very enthusiastic when I first heard about Bespin but after installing the thing locally I saw it's basically just a syntax highlight layer. I would love to see a true browser-based IDE but Bespin isn't that just yet. I see how it works for a CMS but it won't replace NetBeans or Eclipse very soon.
- STHayden 16y ago
  I don't there is a reason to loose enthusiasm. I've talked with the bespin team and they know they have along way to go. Just because it's not feature complete doesn't mean it sucks. It seems like they have built a strong base. Some cool projects have adopted it. And it seems like in a year or two it might even have a really strong feature set. So I'm excited even if I don't use it much currently.

kingkilr 16y ago

Idea for it that me and a friend had: often times when new users need help in IRC they paste some code, and make some changes, and repaste etc to show what their issue is. The idea is to write a plugin for editors that, at a click of a button, live streams the content to bespin^Wskywriter and they can just link the "view into the editor" to IRC so people can see the code in a real time way. Then when they're done they can kill the "view".

js4all 16y ago
Great idea. What you are describing sounds like a combination of EtherPad and Skywriter.
- jackolas 16y ago
  And gist.

rblion 16y ago

Really cool name, logo, and concept.

aaronblohowiak 16y ago

Any plan for IE support?

js4all 16y ago
No, there is no plan to support current IE. Skywriter relies on the <canvas> element and makes heavy use of html5.
- ElbertF 16y ago
  IE9 will support the canvas element.
dangoor 16y ago
As soon as IE supports everything Skywriter uses, we'll be happy to support it... Right now, that means Canvas, Web Workers and CSS3 Flexible Box Model. The latter two are not yet supported by IE9, I believe.

nitrogen 16y ago

At first I have to admit I didn't quite get the point of Bespin, but I've realized its incredible power as I've come to appreciate the web as a viable platform for most applications. I will probably use it when I transition one of my current projects to the web, and look forward to seeing what others do with it. I have only one complaint so far: alt+left/right is used to move by words instead of the more common ctrl+left/right. [This comment was edited with Bespin bookmarklet]

js4all 16y ago
Kudos for using the bookmarklet. :) The whole point of Skywriter is the underlying totally new architecture: The use of canvas, incredibly fast rendering and unlimited editing file size. No other textarea-based editor can do that. When it comes to editing source code in the browser, there are often 5000 and more Lines. Other editors slow down or can't even handle such many lines.