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> Once you realize that every core belief you once held was manufactured by a corporation/religion/government in an effort to empower that agency, then life rea

> Once you realize that every core belief you once held was manufactured by a corporation/religion/government in an effort to empower that agency, then life really begins. This is too extreme. Corporations, governments et. al. are not original generators of these things, they just co-opt them. Exercise is co-opted by many groups, but it didn't originate with those groups, it has always existed and worked really well. Same with most of these things. The fact that an agency decided to make money off of it (why wouldn't it? Why is that, in itself, a negative?) in a capitalist society (where things are valued through money) is... expected? And, in many cases, it's a positive development: making it easier for people to exercise. I'm just not really seeing the nihilism.

kolbe 9y ago
I wasn't trying to convince you. The article's author is going down a very cliche path in life that I've seen many times before, often resulting in some grand multi-year adventure to help get in-touch with yourself (e.g. hiking south america, or living in alaska, or whatever). You are probably going down a different path. I wouldn't expect you to see the things I see nor vice-versa.
justinator 9y ago
> Exercise is co-opted by many groups, but it didn't > originate with those groups, it has always existed and > worked really well. Same with most of these things. We sort of use exercise to supplement our jobs/lifestyle that doesn't require physical activity. The crisis of finding time to exercise is exasperated by the very lifestyle that doesn't give time for the benefits physical activities give you, but still creates feelings stress and anxiety. Feeling bad about not exercising is somewhat of a negative feedback loop.
- projektir 9y ago
  The Western lifestyle of certain office workers of not having to do physical labor is much better than the previous alternative, as that wasn't exercise, in the modern sense. It was often rather dangerous and damaging physical activity. What we do in modern times is effectively recreational exercise, for our benefit, that a lot more people now have the privilege to take part in than in the past. Humans exercising recreationally, and generally putting a lot of effort into their health was normal across history, it was just limited to smaller more aristocratic groups in many cases. Basically, people partaking in recreational exercise is not some sort of a mysterious corporate, religious, or governmental invention. It's, if anything, primal behavior that mostly goes down to the fact that exercise is fun for a lot of people and people also like feeling better and looking good. I see nothing wrong with people providing associated services to supplant these activities getting paid for it in an economic system that's literally all about being paid for providing services. Agencies co opting something doesn't eliminate it. Sometimes it even helps it. Sometimes it, yes, harms it. But that's a far cry from "every core belief you once held was manufactured by a corporation/religion/government in an effort to empower that agency". That's a major philosophical claim that you can't back up with misgivings about sedentary jobs in the West. > Feeling bad about not exercising is somewhat of a negative feedback loop. Feeling bad due to not measuring up was a thing since this whole process got jump started where not measuring up meant you die, suffer horribly, or both. That's my major philosophical claim for the day.

kolbe 9y ago

I wasn't trying to convince you. The article's author is going down a very cliche path in life that I've seen many times before, often resulting in some grand multi-year adventure to help get in-touch with yourself (e.g. hiking south america, or living in alaska, or whatever). You are probably going down a different path. I wouldn't expect you to see the things I see nor vice-versa.

justinator 9y ago

> Exercise is co-opted by many groups, but it didn't > originate with those groups, it has always existed and > worked really well. Same with most of these things. We sort of use exercise to supplement our jobs/lifestyle that doesn't require physical activity. The crisis of finding time to exercise is exasperated by the very lifestyle that doesn't give time for the benefits physical activities give you, but still creates feelings stress and anxiety. Feeling bad about not exercising is somewhat of a negative feedback loop.

projektir 9y ago
The Western lifestyle of certain office workers of not having to do physical labor is much better than the previous alternative, as that wasn't exercise, in the modern sense. It was often rather dangerous and damaging physical activity. What we do in modern times is effectively recreational exercise, for our benefit, that a lot more people now have the privilege to take part in than in the past. Humans exercising recreationally, and generally putting a lot of effort into their health was normal across history, it was just limited to smaller more aristocratic groups in many cases. Basically, people partaking in recreational exercise is not some sort of a mysterious corporate, religious, or governmental invention. It's, if anything, primal behavior that mostly goes down to the fact that exercise is fun for a lot of people and people also like feeling better and looking good. I see nothing wrong with people providing associated services to supplant these activities getting paid for it in an economic system that's literally all about being paid for providing services. Agencies co opting something doesn't eliminate it. Sometimes it even helps it. Sometimes it, yes, harms it. But that's a far cry from "every core belief you once held was manufactured by a corporation/religion/government in an effort to empower that agency". That's a major philosophical claim that you can't back up with misgivings about sedentary jobs in the West. > Feeling bad about not exercising is somewhat of a negative feedback loop. Feeling bad due to not measuring up was a thing since this whole process got jump started where not measuring up meant you die, suffer horribly, or both. That's my major philosophical claim for the day.