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"The universe does not necessarily exist. Something or someone had to create it from nothing at some point (which we can call the beginning of time)." Not nece
by lazyant 16y ago
"The universe does not necessarily exist. Something or someone had to create it from nothing at some point (which we can call the beginning of time)."
Not necessarily. The universe could have been existing "forever". If something created it, who created the creator? if this creator is "special" why not the universe?
- cpr 16y agoNow you are using the "uncreated creator" argument of Aristotle, who proved that there must be, at the back of all creation, one unmoved mover, one uncreated creator, etc.
- lazyant 16y agoHe didn't "prove", it's just an argument. The "all things have a mover" doesn't have to apply to the universe. (If it was proven then there would be no atheists right?). Also the "unmoved mover" could be the universe itself, why not? I can perfectly imagine the universe being forever the same as a creator being forever (if anything the first is easier since we have no evidence of the latter).
- cpr 16y agoYes, if everyone thought very carefully and honestly about the contingency of material beings and what that implies about the existence of the universe, they'd all be at least theists. ;-)