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I guess if it doesn’t work for you, you should skip the thread so as not to drown out the effort. Someday someone might come along and build the thing you want

I guess if it doesn’t work for you, you should skip the thread so as not to drown out the effort. Someday someone might come along and build the thing you want. Perhaps they will build on this project.

dpark 9y ago
His criticism is reasonable. There is a line between valuable criticism and pointless negativity. The latter deserves the “if you don’t like it, go away” response. The former does not. The line is fuzzy, so err on the side of leniency. Now, if there is a flaw in the criticism, address that, not the mere fact that it is criticism.
- melling 9y ago
  It’s like people who jump in an a discussion about electric vehicles then filling the comments with “I won’t buy one until the range increases“. Their criticism is also legitimate. People should simply realize the product isn’t for them.
  - dpark 9y ago
    That’s also a reasonable response and if I had a conversation about EVs with a large group of friends, I would expect one of them to make that comment. I would not expect the person with that sentiment to simply walk away rather than engage.
    - melling 9y ago
      But everyone already knows they have limited range. You aren’t adding to the online conversation. You aren’t going to change anything. Often in long conversations, people chime in without reading the conversation and several people make the same “observation”. In this conversation, we know there are downsides to cloud-based voice recognition. Telling someone who built it that it’s not for you, doesn’t add any value.
      - dpark 9y ago
        > But everyone already knows they have limited range. You aren’t adding to the online conversation. You aren’t going to change anything. Realistically everything in this hypothetical conversation will be things that “everyone” knows. Unless you’re discussing confidential info about EVs, everything is by definition public knowledge and probably even common knowledge. Most conversations are about opinions rather than facts. Is the guy who comments about EVs having all their torque available from a standstill also adding nothing to the conversation? What about the guy who mentions the environmental friendliness? Or the one who mentions the environmental costs of lithium mining? Who is really adding to the conversation here? > In this conversation, we know there are downsides to cloud-based voice recognition. Telling someone who built it that it’s not for you, doesn’t add any value. And yet it’s the top comment and the top reply provides info about a platform that doesn’t have the same drawback. I think this is pretty clearly value added.
        melling 9y ago
        When you read the comment about short range and the environmental impact of the batteries, they’re often highly upvoted by people that dislike electric vehicles too. So, my point about someone drowning out someone’s project is proven by the top-rated comment about how it doesn’t work for them.
        dpark 9y ago
        So you’re just going to pretend that the top comment doesn’t have a useful and relevant reply?
        melling 9y ago
        Snips? It has been submitted 5 times this week. E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16537734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16537734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16544893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16544893
        9y ago
white-flame 9y ago
In addition to the peer response, notice the GP comment is (at least currently) top-ranked. They're not alone.
ToyToyTotsToy 9y ago
This isn't a Rube Goldberg fan club forum or sub-reddit, so the criticism is not only welcome but highly deserved. See? It checks all the nonsense boxes! * Garbage hardware - ikea, works in the home AND the landfill! * "Home automation" - barely automating the lights, barely happening in the home * NodeJS - because it's the -cool- thing to do these days, despite being trash * IFTTT - How many third-parties can we invoke? * Google Assistant - How much data can we give Google?
brokenmachine 9y ago
And yet there are people commenting further down with on-device voice products that exist now. I wasn't interested in a product that has to report to the NSA that I turned my lights on, and I didn't know about those... So I'm happy that this comment thread is not the echo chamber you desire.

dpark 9y ago

His criticism is reasonable. There is a line between valuable criticism and pointless negativity. The latter deserves the “if you don’t like it, go away” response. The former does not. The line is fuzzy, so err on the side of leniency. Now, if there is a flaw in the criticism, address that, not the mere fact that it is criticism.

melling 9y ago
It’s like people who jump in an a discussion about electric vehicles then filling the comments with “I won’t buy one until the range increases“. Their criticism is also legitimate. People should simply realize the product isn’t for them.
- dpark 9y ago
  That’s also a reasonable response and if I had a conversation about EVs with a large group of friends, I would expect one of them to make that comment. I would not expect the person with that sentiment to simply walk away rather than engage.
  - melling 9y ago
    But everyone already knows they have limited range. You aren’t adding to the online conversation. You aren’t going to change anything. Often in long conversations, people chime in without reading the conversation and several people make the same “observation”. In this conversation, we know there are downsides to cloud-based voice recognition. Telling someone who built it that it’s not for you, doesn’t add any value.
    - dpark 9y ago
      > But everyone already knows they have limited range. You aren’t adding to the online conversation. You aren’t going to change anything. Realistically everything in this hypothetical conversation will be things that “everyone” knows. Unless you’re discussing confidential info about EVs, everything is by definition public knowledge and probably even common knowledge. Most conversations are about opinions rather than facts. Is the guy who comments about EVs having all their torque available from a standstill also adding nothing to the conversation? What about the guy who mentions the environmental friendliness? Or the one who mentions the environmental costs of lithium mining? Who is really adding to the conversation here? > In this conversation, we know there are downsides to cloud-based voice recognition. Telling someone who built it that it’s not for you, doesn’t add any value. And yet it’s the top comment and the top reply provides info about a platform that doesn’t have the same drawback. I think this is pretty clearly value added.
      - melling 9y ago
        When you read the comment about short range and the environmental impact of the batteries, they’re often highly upvoted by people that dislike electric vehicles too. So, my point about someone drowning out someone’s project is proven by the top-rated comment about how it doesn’t work for them.
        dpark 9y ago
        So you’re just going to pretend that the top comment doesn’t have a useful and relevant reply?
        melling 9y ago
        Snips? It has been submitted 5 times this week. E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16537734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16537734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16544893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16544893
        9y ago

white-flame 9y ago

In addition to the peer response, notice the GP comment is (at least currently) top-ranked. They're not alone.

ToyToyTotsToy 9y ago

This isn't a Rube Goldberg fan club forum or sub-reddit, so the criticism is not only welcome but highly deserved. See? It checks all the nonsense boxes! * Garbage hardware - ikea, works in the home AND the landfill! * "Home automation" - barely automating the lights, barely happening in the home * NodeJS - because it's the -cool- thing to do these days, despite being trash * IFTTT - How many third-parties can we invoke? * Google Assistant - How much data can we give Google?

brokenmachine 9y ago

And yet there are people commenting further down with on-device voice products that exist now. I wasn't interested in a product that has to report to the NSA that I turned my lights on, and I didn't know about those... So I'm happy that this comment thread is not the echo chamber you desire.