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Kudos to SpaceX for including that footage. Could have easily left it out, as I suppose that portion of the whole thing was a very costly failure. But there was

Kudos to SpaceX for including that footage. Could have easily left it out, as I suppose that portion of the whole thing was a very costly failure. But there was so much win in the rest of the whole deal that everybody I've talked to about it didn't even know part of the rocket was lost.

mikeash 9y ago
It wasn’t costly. They weren’t going to reuse that core anyway. They’re just starting to roll out their “block 5” cores designed for long-term reusabity, and they won’t fly the older ones much longer. Landing it was just practice for the future.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Landing it is an opportunity to inspect a flown center core for the first time. Even though future center cores are different, there was still a lot that could have been learned.
Mithaldu 9y ago
Would've been nice if they hadn't lied about it during the livestream though, but i guess "everybody didn't even know" was exactly the point of why they did that. Big departure from their earlier modus operandi as well. Wonder if they'll also upload a full video of that crash like with their earlier crashes or whether they've changed that behavior too.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  SpaceX has often not released droneship crash footage until quite a while later. The recent "How not to land an orbital rocket" crash compilation contained a lot of footage SpaceX had not released before. So there's nothing new about this choice of coverage.
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    1. It is quite a while later. 2. Them lying live on stream with the evidence of the lie clearly visible is new.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      1. The footage released in the "How not to land an Orbital Rocket" includes previously unseen footage from more than a year before the release of the video. FH's launch was last month. 2. Uh, no. You don't know what they knew, you're guessing, and then calling them liars. I think it's dodgy, but I know I don't know enough to call anyone a liar.
      - Mithaldu 9y ago
        Oooh, so you're simply unaware and your bias prompts you to assume i'm making shit up. Here, let me fix that. Watch exactly one minute after this timestamp, pay attention to the screen at the right edge of the video, in the middle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c&t=30m33s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c&t=30m33s Drone ship feed static for a while, then smoke on deck clears, no core visible, deck empty. Both go "oh." and after a pause: "we're waiting to hear what happens. [...] we'll let you know as soon as we find out" and "we'll [...] know [...] whether it's standing". It is clear during all of this that they're looking at the same video feed as is in the background, because the timing of their reactions is exactly in synch. They saw it didn't land, they found out immediately and didn't let "us" know. Instead they claimed it might be possible it is standing despite seeing the empty deck. PS: You could've asked instead of engaging in cheer pressure.
        greglindahl 9y ago
        I already watched that video last month, and it looked to me like the scene froze as it often does, at that exact point, right before the final part of a landing. Now that I've seen the super-slow-mo version, I can see that I jumped to the wrong conclusion. However, again, I have no idea what the hosts were thinking, and your "liar" theory involves reading their minds.

mikeash 9y ago

It wasn’t costly. They weren’t going to reuse that core anyway. They’re just starting to roll out their “block 5” cores designed for long-term reusabity, and they won’t fly the older ones much longer. Landing it was just practice for the future.

greglindahl 9y ago
Landing it is an opportunity to inspect a flown center core for the first time. Even though future center cores are different, there was still a lot that could have been learned.

Mithaldu 9y ago

Would've been nice if they hadn't lied about it during the livestream though, but i guess "everybody didn't even know" was exactly the point of why they did that. Big departure from their earlier modus operandi as well. Wonder if they'll also upload a full video of that crash like with their earlier crashes or whether they've changed that behavior too.

greglindahl 9y ago
SpaceX has often not released droneship crash footage until quite a while later. The recent "How not to land an orbital rocket" crash compilation contained a lot of footage SpaceX had not released before. So there's nothing new about this choice of coverage.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  1. It is quite a while later. 2. Them lying live on stream with the evidence of the lie clearly visible is new.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    1. The footage released in the "How not to land an Orbital Rocket" includes previously unseen footage from more than a year before the release of the video. FH's launch was last month. 2. Uh, no. You don't know what they knew, you're guessing, and then calling them liars. I think it's dodgy, but I know I don't know enough to call anyone a liar.
    - Mithaldu 9y ago
      Oooh, so you're simply unaware and your bias prompts you to assume i'm making shit up. Here, let me fix that. Watch exactly one minute after this timestamp, pay attention to the screen at the right edge of the video, in the middle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c&t=30m33s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c&t=30m33s Drone ship feed static for a while, then smoke on deck clears, no core visible, deck empty. Both go "oh." and after a pause: "we're waiting to hear what happens. [...] we'll let you know as soon as we find out" and "we'll [...] know [...] whether it's standing". It is clear during all of this that they're looking at the same video feed as is in the background, because the timing of their reactions is exactly in synch. They saw it didn't land, they found out immediately and didn't let "us" know. Instead they claimed it might be possible it is standing despite seeing the empty deck. PS: You could've asked instead of engaging in cheer pressure.
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        I already watched that video last month, and it looked to me like the scene froze as it often does, at that exact point, right before the final part of a landing. Now that I've seen the super-slow-mo version, I can see that I jumped to the wrong conclusion. However, again, I have no idea what the hosts were thinking, and your "liar" theory involves reading their minds.