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> In other news, in 99/100 occurrences of the phrase "99 times out of 100" the person stating it is pulling numbers out of their ass to sound authoritative. I

> In other news, in 99/100 occurrences of the phrase "99 times out of 100" the person stating it is pulling numbers out of their ass to sound authoritative. I can use whatever writing style I want to. If you don't like it, read another post.

kbenson 9y ago
Sure you can. And I'll free to call out when you are making factual assertions that aren't facts. In the same vein, you're free to ignore my comment. I'll concede my original comment might have come across as a bit more harsh than intended, but I think the point stands. If you're trying to prove a point or provide information in a discussion, don't use loose and hyperbolic terminology without expecting to be called out on it.
- throwawaynrl 9y ago
  Good god, it wasn’t meant to be LITERALLY 99/100, and anyone who reads it that way has some serious textual interpretation problems.
- tinymollusk 9y ago
  Doesn't his "99/100" give us a much better idea of his confidence in his own knowledge, compared to something more vague like "usually" or "the vast majority of the time"? I ask because I've been studying how to make better decisions, and one of the techniques is to use numbers instead of the easily misinterpreted words. The famous example is the Bay of Pigs decision -- Kennedy was told the invasion plans had a "fair" chance at succeeding. The advisor was later interviewed and said that he meant 3-1 against as "fair odds", which could easily have changed Kennedy's decision.
  - kbenson 9y ago
    > Doesn't his "99/100" give us a much better idea of his confidence in his own knowledge, compared to something more vague like "usually" or "the vast majority of the time"? Sure, it gives an idea of confidence, but we haven't established that confidence as worth anything yet, and we're being fed numbers to add an air of legitimacy to a statement which doesn't really have any otherwise. Unless someone has actually examined 100 cases, it's just bluster. It's like saying "oh, that never happens" to discount an argument entirely. It's not helpful to a real discussion. > The advisor was later interviewed and said that he meant 3-1 against as "fair odds", which could easily have changed Kennedy's decision. The adviser was likely also someone with previously established expertise in this area, which means that opinion might be worth something without supporting evidence. Additionally, giving actual predicted odds is different than falling back on on a colloquialism that almost never literally means 99 times out of 100 or 99%, but instead is meant to convey "almost always", and using terminology like that in a conversation without any supporting evidence isn't useful.
    - tinymollusk 9y ago
      I agree about this particular comment -- your interpretation is likely correct. I was just trying to connect it larger, to the decision making skills that I'm working on (and thought might be interesting to a HN audience). FWIW, the Pigs incident is widely cited as an example within this sphere. It has nothing to do with whether the advisor was previously skilled -- it has more to do with thinking about how people understand and use the information I communicate. (and that using numbers instead of words seems to be considered "best practice" in the decision making community).
foo101 9y ago
> I can use whatever writing style I want to. If you don't like it, read another post. We can refute whichever post we want to. If you don't like it, read another post.

kbenson 9y ago

Sure you can. And I'll free to call out when you are making factual assertions that aren't facts. In the same vein, you're free to ignore my comment. I'll concede my original comment might have come across as a bit more harsh than intended, but I think the point stands. If you're trying to prove a point or provide information in a discussion, don't use loose and hyperbolic terminology without expecting to be called out on it.

throwawaynrl 9y ago
Good god, it wasn’t meant to be LITERALLY 99/100, and anyone who reads it that way has some serious textual interpretation problems.
tinymollusk 9y ago
Doesn't his "99/100" give us a much better idea of his confidence in his own knowledge, compared to something more vague like "usually" or "the vast majority of the time"? I ask because I've been studying how to make better decisions, and one of the techniques is to use numbers instead of the easily misinterpreted words. The famous example is the Bay of Pigs decision -- Kennedy was told the invasion plans had a "fair" chance at succeeding. The advisor was later interviewed and said that he meant 3-1 against as "fair odds", which could easily have changed Kennedy's decision.
- kbenson 9y ago
  > Doesn't his "99/100" give us a much better idea of his confidence in his own knowledge, compared to something more vague like "usually" or "the vast majority of the time"? Sure, it gives an idea of confidence, but we haven't established that confidence as worth anything yet, and we're being fed numbers to add an air of legitimacy to a statement which doesn't really have any otherwise. Unless someone has actually examined 100 cases, it's just bluster. It's like saying "oh, that never happens" to discount an argument entirely. It's not helpful to a real discussion. > The advisor was later interviewed and said that he meant 3-1 against as "fair odds", which could easily have changed Kennedy's decision. The adviser was likely also someone with previously established expertise in this area, which means that opinion might be worth something without supporting evidence. Additionally, giving actual predicted odds is different than falling back on on a colloquialism that almost never literally means 99 times out of 100 or 99%, but instead is meant to convey "almost always", and using terminology like that in a conversation without any supporting evidence isn't useful.
  - tinymollusk 9y ago
    I agree about this particular comment -- your interpretation is likely correct. I was just trying to connect it larger, to the decision making skills that I'm working on (and thought might be interesting to a HN audience). FWIW, the Pigs incident is widely cited as an example within this sphere. It has nothing to do with whether the advisor was previously skilled -- it has more to do with thinking about how people understand and use the information I communicate. (and that using numbers instead of words seems to be considered "best practice" in the decision making community).

foo101 9y ago

> I can use whatever writing style I want to. If you don't like it, read another post. We can refute whichever post we want to. If you don't like it, read another post.