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I'm asking half-seriously here: assuming the fentanyl pill guy could demonstrate Good Manufacturing Practice, i.e. dose constant and as advertised and equally d

I'm asking half-seriously here: assuming the fentanyl pill guy could demonstrate Good Manufacturing Practice, i.e. dose constant and as advertised and equally distributed throughout the pill, would he be sentenced more leniently?

anarazel 9y ago
I think it's commonly used to cut other drugs (coke), so I don't think that argument would go far.
- stordoff 9y ago
  I'd be very surprised if the fentanyl (or its analogues) in cocaine is deliberate (unless the goal is to harm users, which seems unlikely) - they are very different drugs. It's used more to be passed off as other opiates, because it's much cheaper and its potency makes it much easier to smuggle (carfentanyl being approximate 5000 times more potent than heroin). I'd suspect that the fentanyl in cocaine is coming from cross-contamination - lethal doses of carfentanyl are measured in micrograms, so anything less than perfect cleaning of equipment used to process both drugs could result in a fatality.
  - grzm 9y ago
    Mixing cocaine and heroin is not all that uncommon. Sounds like a variant of a speedball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
    - stordoff 9y ago
      Sure, there are certainly users who will mix the drugs, but mixing the two and then selling it as just cocaine seems strange. Supplying strong opiates to the (potentially) opiate-naive without their knowledge seems to be an unnecessary risk, and it is probably bad for business as you aren't supplying the experience that a cocaine user may be looking for.
    - megaremote 9y ago
      It is very uncommon.
  - anarazel 9y ago
    There's press reports about the DEA warning about it. E.g.: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-cocaine-cut-opioids-20171215-story.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-cocaine-cut-... That's what I remembered.
    - KMag 9y ago
      I'm sure it has happened at least once, but I suspect that the DEA gives it press coverage way out of proportion to its incidence. As an adolescent of 12 or so, I remember watching a D.A.R.E. video in school where the fictional character tried marijuana for the first time, but it was secretly laced with cocaine and the fictional character had some kind of unspecified heart condition and hyper-sensitivity to cocaine that caused his first puff of pot to kill him. Remember kids, your first puff of pot can kill you! They also told us that sometimes PCP is laced with rat poison. Even as a 12 year-old, the implied frequency of such craziness beggared belief. It would have been more believable if they would have warned us that we shouldn't try hard liquor because it might be tainted with methanol. That at least happens with some frequency back in the Old Country, according to a Bulgarian friend.
KMag 9y ago
At least in the US, it's almost certainly not written into the law or sentencing guidelines, so any leniency based on improved safety would have to be at the sole discretion of the judge.

anarazel 9y ago

I think it's commonly used to cut other drugs (coke), so I don't think that argument would go far.

stordoff 9y ago
I'd be very surprised if the fentanyl (or its analogues) in cocaine is deliberate (unless the goal is to harm users, which seems unlikely) - they are very different drugs. It's used more to be passed off as other opiates, because it's much cheaper and its potency makes it much easier to smuggle (carfentanyl being approximate 5000 times more potent than heroin). I'd suspect that the fentanyl in cocaine is coming from cross-contamination - lethal doses of carfentanyl are measured in micrograms, so anything less than perfect cleaning of equipment used to process both drugs could result in a fatality.
- grzm 9y ago
  Mixing cocaine and heroin is not all that uncommon. Sounds like a variant of a speedball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
  - stordoff 9y ago
    Sure, there are certainly users who will mix the drugs, but mixing the two and then selling it as just cocaine seems strange. Supplying strong opiates to the (potentially) opiate-naive without their knowledge seems to be an unnecessary risk, and it is probably bad for business as you aren't supplying the experience that a cocaine user may be looking for.
  - megaremote 9y ago
    It is very uncommon.
- anarazel 9y ago
  There's press reports about the DEA warning about it. E.g.: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-cocaine-cut-opioids-20171215-story.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-cocaine-cut-... That's what I remembered.
  - KMag 9y ago
    I'm sure it has happened at least once, but I suspect that the DEA gives it press coverage way out of proportion to its incidence. As an adolescent of 12 or so, I remember watching a D.A.R.E. video in school where the fictional character tried marijuana for the first time, but it was secretly laced with cocaine and the fictional character had some kind of unspecified heart condition and hyper-sensitivity to cocaine that caused his first puff of pot to kill him. Remember kids, your first puff of pot can kill you! They also told us that sometimes PCP is laced with rat poison. Even as a 12 year-old, the implied frequency of such craziness beggared belief. It would have been more believable if they would have warned us that we shouldn't try hard liquor because it might be tainted with methanol. That at least happens with some frequency back in the Old Country, according to a Bulgarian friend.

KMag 9y ago

At least in the US, it's almost certainly not written into the law or sentencing guidelines, so any leniency based on improved safety would have to be at the sole discretion of the judge.