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Indeed, your edit is way more civil ;) Let's agree on not agreeing then (and sorry, no, I did not learn anything).

by bpizzi 9y ago

bpizzi 9y ago
And please allow me to refer to real and actual scientific studies. The critical period for language acquisition Snow, C. and Hoefnagel-Hoehle, M. (1982) - http://grammar.ucsd.edu/courses/00-OLD/lign179/snow.hh.82.pdf http://grammar.ucsd.edu/courses/00-OLD/lign179/snow.hh.82.pd... On the precise point of learning a L2 language, teenagers and adults learn faster and better than children: "The crucial findings of relevance for the CPH were that the 3- to 5-year olds scored consistently worse than the older groups on all the tests and that the 12- to 15-year-olds showed the most rapid acquisition of all the skills tested. These findings are basis for rejecting the hypothesis that the period 2 to 12 years constitutes an optimal time for language acquisition." And a second one: Maturational Constraints on Language Learning Newport, 1990 - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1207/s15516709cog1401_2/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1207/s15516709cog1401_... Different rates of L2 may reflect psychological and social factors that favor child learners, instead of mere brain chemistry: "The evidence from several studies of both first and second language acquisition suggests that normal language learning occurs only when exposure to the language begins early in life."
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  Ok, I will look into it, they sound interesting, but I lack the time right now. And the "learned anything" ... was kind of a joke. So you didn't learned anything ... see, you are too old ;) Edit: but after a first glance: - well, besides, that those study's are old, they are also controversy and explicitly state that. And they look to me like the point I raised, that they maybe didn't account for prior knowledge in their findings. But I will look more into it.
  - bpizzi 9y ago
    Well, then yes, please, be my guest and look into it. And kindly point to me any study (may I say the countless studies) that can support your claim: 'Children do learn faster than adults. Countless study's support that.'.

Indeed, your edit is way more civil ;) Let's agree on not agreeing then (and sorry, no, I did not learn anything).

by bpizzi 9y ago

Indeed, your edit is way more civil ;) Let's agree on not agreeing then (and sorry, no, I did not learn anything).

And please allow me to refer to real and actual scientific studies. The critical period for language acquisition Snow, C. and Hoefnagel-Hoehle, M. (1982) - http://grammar.ucsd.edu/courses/00-OLD/lign179/snow.hh.82.pdf http://grammar.ucsd.edu/courses/00-OLD/lign179/snow.hh.82.pd... On the precise point of learning a L2 language, teenagers and adults learn faster and better than children: "The crucial findings of relevance for the CPH were that the 3- to 5-year olds scored consistently worse than the older groups on all the tests and that the 12- to 15-year-olds showed the most rapid acquisition of all the skills tested. These findings are basis for rejecting the hypothesis that the period 2 to 12 years constitutes an optimal time for language acquisition." And a second one: Maturational Constraints on Language Learning Newport, 1990 - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1207/s15516709cog1401_2/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1207/s15516709cog1401_... Different rates of L2 may reflect psychological and social factors that favor child learners, instead of mere brain chemistry: "The evidence from several studies of both first and second language acquisition suggests that normal language learning occurs only when exposure to the language begins early in life."

hutzlibu 9y ago
Ok, I will look into it, they sound interesting, but I lack the time right now. And the "learned anything" ... was kind of a joke. So you didn't learned anything ... see, you are too old ;) Edit: but after a first glance: - well, besides, that those study's are old, they are also controversy and explicitly state that. And they look to me like the point I raised, that they maybe didn't account for prior knowledge in their findings. But I will look more into it.
- bpizzi 9y ago
  Well, then yes, please, be my guest and look into it. And kindly point to me any study (may I say the countless studies) that can support your claim: 'Children do learn faster than adults. Countless study's support that.'.