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To be honest, Emacs never worked for me. It added too much complexity, for too little gain. M-w, to do a copy. Or some other hobgoblin that I need to remembe

To be honest, Emacs never worked for me. It added too much complexity, for too little gain. M-w, to do a copy. Or some other hobgoblin that I need to remember, when all I need is just a browse-able menu. I just need the shortcuts, for when I repetitively do an action, multiple times in a row, where it's quicker to just hit the keys, instead of using a menu. Maybe it was cutting edge in the 1990s, but then computers got much faster, with more memory. And the graphical IDEs like Visual Studio, and Eclipse, blew it out of the water. Today, when I'm coding in Python, then I just use an editor like Notepad++. I get enough syntax highlighting hints from that to avoid obvious coding errors. Most of the time, I'm on Windows. I secure shell into the Linux server, and open the file from there. Then it saves back to the server. Then I run my code on a shell. This setup works pretty well. If I need to review the code while on the shell, then I just open it in Vi. Or just open it in Windows.

jwdunne 9y ago
Well that doesn't copy. That closes Emacs. No wonder you're having trouble! Use M-w. You can do what you need using Emacs. Instead of context menus, you search for a less used command using M-x. It helps if you have ido-mode or helm. The latter, in my opinion, makes it a beautiful experience. I tried moving over to JetBrains IDEs. It was too painful. I can see its value in a language where it can write most of the code for you. Otherwise, Emacs all the way.
- blackrock 9y ago
  Are you purposely being dense?
  - jwdunne 9y ago
    Oh I see what you did there. Nice try squirt. C-x C-c closes Emacs. I mean M-w and C-x C-c are so damn close together it's unfortunate you might mix them up, right? That sort of crafty edit-a-roo is mighty frowned upon in most circles. And to be so rude! Now that, sir, is crossing the line. I guess if I'm really dense, I can't purposefully be dense, can I?
Jtsummers 9y ago
Use what you want, but by default there is a browsable menu for those commands in emacs. They'll (just like any other decent application) show you both the command and the shortcut. And if you're on the command line (not the GUI version) just use F10 to access it (whether it's initially visible or not).
- blackrock 9y ago
  Yeah, I know all that. I used Emacs for years. I'm glad better tools came along.
  - Jtsummers 9y ago
    > M-w, to do a copy. Or some other hobgoblin that I need to remember, when all I need is just a browse-able menu. The way you wrote that suggested there wasn't a browseable menu and that emacs forced you to memorize "hobgoblin" commands (two-characters is "hobgoblin"?). Also, for others, there's CUA mode which makes the standard Windows' C-x, C-c, C-v cut/copy/paste commands available.

jwdunne 9y ago

Well that doesn't copy. That closes Emacs. No wonder you're having trouble! Use M-w. You can do what you need using Emacs. Instead of context menus, you search for a less used command using M-x. It helps if you have ido-mode or helm. The latter, in my opinion, makes it a beautiful experience. I tried moving over to JetBrains IDEs. It was too painful. I can see its value in a language where it can write most of the code for you. Otherwise, Emacs all the way.

blackrock 9y ago
Are you purposely being dense?
- jwdunne 9y ago
  Oh I see what you did there. Nice try squirt. C-x C-c closes Emacs. I mean M-w and C-x C-c are so damn close together it's unfortunate you might mix them up, right? That sort of crafty edit-a-roo is mighty frowned upon in most circles. And to be so rude! Now that, sir, is crossing the line. I guess if I'm really dense, I can't purposefully be dense, can I?

Jtsummers 9y ago

Use what you want, but by default there is a browsable menu for those commands in emacs. They'll (just like any other decent application) show you both the command and the shortcut. And if you're on the command line (not the GUI version) just use F10 to access it (whether it's initially visible or not).

blackrock 9y ago
Yeah, I know all that. I used Emacs for years. I'm glad better tools came along.
- Jtsummers 9y ago
  > M-w, to do a copy. Or some other hobgoblin that I need to remember, when all I need is just a browse-able menu. The way you wrote that suggested there wasn't a browseable menu and that emacs forced you to memorize "hobgoblin" commands (two-characters is "hobgoblin"?). Also, for others, there's CUA mode which makes the standard Windows' C-x, C-c, C-v cut/copy/paste commands available.