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I think a lot of more progressive(?) places let drug users off because it's more or less a victimless crime (no one has to be harmed in making and distributing

I think a lot of more progressive(?) places let drug users off because it's more or less a victimless crime (no one has to be harmed in making and distributing drugs, though some producers certainly do that, but so does any capitalistic system; the cartels aren't significantly worse than buying from Apple) and they really just need help. Child pornography is never a victimless crime.

ggg9990 9y ago
> the cartels aren't significantly worse than buying from Apple I am warning everyone, this is not a joke — this is a video of a 14-year-old girl working for one cartel being dismembered and decapitated by a rival cartel: http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/syjukod/VID_20180306_225243_263.mp4 http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/syjukod/VID_20180306_225243_... Please link the video of Tim Cook doing this.
- plussed_reader 9y ago
  Here you go: http://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-conditions-in-foxconn-factories-in-china/ http://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-cond... Do you think the global drug trade 'provides work' for more than 500,000?
- SolarNet 9y ago
  Foxconn has 14 year old workers. Foxconn workers commit suicide over working conditions. Foxconn has violent drunken fights between workers that injure dozens of people (including those 14 year old workers by the by). It isn't significantly different.
  - ggg9990 9y ago
    Foxconn workers suicide rate has never been demonstrated to be extraordinary.
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  - joyeuse6701 9y ago
    Nothing is significantly different if you go up enough layers of abstraction. I think it's pretty obvious there's a difference between collateral damage caused by a drunken riot, and the sober specific targeting of an economic rival by torturing a child, you know, to an empathetic human.
    - SolarNet 9y ago
      I certainly think the cartels are worse. But both torture children soberly for economic gain. I have empathy for both situations. But just because Foxconn is legal, doesn't really make it better. Also in case anyone missed it today, corporations have increased the violence they use against their critics (rivals?) [0]. Certainly the cartels are worse with their brutality, but they are no different than any other modern international capitalistic enterprise. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/09/human-rights-activists-growing-risk-attacks-and-killings-study-claims https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/09/h...
      - coretx 9y ago
        Poverty / living standards * Harshness of law & enforcement = level of misery.
      - s73v3r_ 9y ago
        "But both torture children soberly for economic gain. " No, they do not. You have absolutely no evidence to back this statement up.
  - s73v3r_ 9y ago
    Yes, it really, really, really is. People all over the world commit suicide over working conditions. Foxconn did not have a significantly higher rate of suicide than the general population. People all over the world lie about their age (Foxconn is not recruiting 14 year olds to work for them) in order to work. And lots of places have drunken fights. Not a single one of those, or even all of them put together, is anywhere near the video posted.
  - meowface 9y ago
    Foxconn's working conditions are bad, but have been highly overstated. They employ 1.3 million people. The suicide rate among their workers is actually lower than the average. It's also not surprising that among 1.3 million people, some workers may get into fights. Of course, that doesn't justify child labor.
s73v3r_ 9y ago
" the cartels aren't significantly worse than buying from Apple" No.

ggg9990 9y ago

> the cartels aren't significantly worse than buying from Apple I am warning everyone, this is not a joke — this is a video of a 14-year-old girl working for one cartel being dismembered and decapitated by a rival cartel: http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/syjukod/VID_20180306_225243_263.mp4 http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/syjukod/VID_20180306_225243_... Please link the video of Tim Cook doing this.

plussed_reader 9y ago
Here you go: http://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-conditions-in-foxconn-factories-in-china/ http://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-cond... Do you think the global drug trade 'provides work' for more than 500,000?
SolarNet 9y ago
Foxconn has 14 year old workers. Foxconn workers commit suicide over working conditions. Foxconn has violent drunken fights between workers that injure dozens of people (including those 14 year old workers by the by). It isn't significantly different.
- ggg9990 9y ago
  Foxconn workers suicide rate has never been demonstrated to be extraordinary.
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- joyeuse6701 9y ago
  Nothing is significantly different if you go up enough layers of abstraction. I think it's pretty obvious there's a difference between collateral damage caused by a drunken riot, and the sober specific targeting of an economic rival by torturing a child, you know, to an empathetic human.
  - SolarNet 9y ago
    I certainly think the cartels are worse. But both torture children soberly for economic gain. I have empathy for both situations. But just because Foxconn is legal, doesn't really make it better. Also in case anyone missed it today, corporations have increased the violence they use against their critics (rivals?) [0]. Certainly the cartels are worse with their brutality, but they are no different than any other modern international capitalistic enterprise. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/09/human-rights-activists-growing-risk-attacks-and-killings-study-claims https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/09/h...
    - coretx 9y ago
      Poverty / living standards * Harshness of law & enforcement = level of misery.
    - s73v3r_ 9y ago
      "But both torture children soberly for economic gain. " No, they do not. You have absolutely no evidence to back this statement up.
- s73v3r_ 9y ago
  Yes, it really, really, really is. People all over the world commit suicide over working conditions. Foxconn did not have a significantly higher rate of suicide than the general population. People all over the world lie about their age (Foxconn is not recruiting 14 year olds to work for them) in order to work. And lots of places have drunken fights. Not a single one of those, or even all of them put together, is anywhere near the video posted.
- meowface 9y ago
  Foxconn's working conditions are bad, but have been highly overstated. They employ 1.3 million people. The suicide rate among their workers is actually lower than the average. It's also not surprising that among 1.3 million people, some workers may get into fights. Of course, that doesn't justify child labor.

s73v3r_ 9y ago

" the cartels aren't significantly worse than buying from Apple" No.