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My issue with these platforms is it is very easy to find people who are excited about starting a company or working on a large project but it is very difficult

My issue with these platforms is it is very easy to find people who are excited about starting a company or working on a large project but it is very difficult to find someone who actually has the discipline to stick to it for two or three years. I run a discord channel that has several hundred coders and I get 5+ requests weekly to work on a project with someone and those projects are almost always abandonware in a few weeks even after recruiting help from my channel :/

kapuru 9y ago
I experienced this with so many potential "partners/co-founders". It almost always starts with an exciting discussions about the possibilities and how we're all going make s--tloads of money, but as soon as I expect them to commit to the repo they just can't deliver. Most of the times it's lack of skills, missing motivation, or just the fact that they can't work without being micro-managed by me.
lnsru 9y ago
It happens very often. I call these people “tourists” and there are many reasons why it works this way. Many people have great jobs and aren’t really interested in side projects. Some people get bored very quickly and are looking for perfect project whole life. Some people try to learn new technologies and abandon the project when first problems arise. It’s great luck to find somebody with passsion and discipline to continue when enthusiasm dissapears and the bumpy ride starts.
pknerd 9y ago
what made you not to share the discord server invite URL? :)
dig247 9y ago
Agreed. It is easy to get high on the idea of a "new"project. 9/10 don't have the follow through. Over the past 14 months I have learned many valuable lessons. At times I think putting money up should be a requirement. It is easy for people to write off "time invested" if they have the stability of a full time job. Even if you simply pay back the initial investment/money they put in after 6-12 months. A modified vesting schedule in some way. I think many are just feeling a bit hollow due to the day job vamping their inspiration (sense of fulfillment) and then as soon as the shiny new project starts to seem like real work their motivation fades. I think a searchable "dead project" codebase or repository would be more beneficial than another one of these "find help here" type of platforms. Along with a wiki style (open source/collaborative) handbook of all the potential issues you may encounter along the way. Everything from marketing/sales to engineering issues.
pasabagi 9y ago
This drives me crazy. I'm a pretty good 3d artist, so it's very easy to find people who want to work with me on game projects. Sadly, I've yet to meet one who actually kept the enthusiasm the whole way through - even when I've literally made all the art! It's literally maddening to see so many games made with programmer art - and I just can't find anybody reliable to work with on any project. And, before you ask, I've tried contacting the makers of programmer art games - and it's almost always the case that they've moved on or got a job. I just want to work on a project where I can see stuff through to the end without relocating to get a job at a studio. But if I post an ad, I just get a ton of replies from people who will drop the project after I've invested hours of work into it - no matter what I do.
- NKCSS 9y ago
  Check out ThinMatrix. Not Sure id he’ll take you, but if he does, you can be sure he’ll stick to it.
  - CryoLogic 9y ago
    Seconding this. ThinMatrix is an awesome developer and very persistent. He also needs help in the art area.
- raresp 9y ago
  "Sadly, I've yet to meet one who actually kept the enthusiasm the whole way through - even when I've literally made all the art!" Maybe that's because of you. You need to motivate the others in order to mentain their interest.
  - pasabagi 9y ago
    I've considered this too. I think the problem is when you aren't paying people, you can't really demand they do stuff. I mean, perhaps you can - but I don't feel comfortable with it. So you end up being some kind of cheerleader - which I'm not great at.

kapuru 9y ago

I experienced this with so many potential "partners/co-founders". It almost always starts with an exciting discussions about the possibilities and how we're all going make s--tloads of money, but as soon as I expect them to commit to the repo they just can't deliver. Most of the times it's lack of skills, missing motivation, or just the fact that they can't work without being micro-managed by me.

lnsru 9y ago

It happens very often. I call these people “tourists” and there are many reasons why it works this way. Many people have great jobs and aren’t really interested in side projects. Some people get bored very quickly and are looking for perfect project whole life. Some people try to learn new technologies and abandon the project when first problems arise. It’s great luck to find somebody with passsion and discipline to continue when enthusiasm dissapears and the bumpy ride starts.

pknerd 9y ago

what made you not to share the discord server invite URL? :)

dig247 9y ago

Agreed. It is easy to get high on the idea of a "new"project. 9/10 don't have the follow through. Over the past 14 months I have learned many valuable lessons. At times I think putting money up should be a requirement. It is easy for people to write off "time invested" if they have the stability of a full time job. Even if you simply pay back the initial investment/money they put in after 6-12 months. A modified vesting schedule in some way. I think many are just feeling a bit hollow due to the day job vamping their inspiration (sense of fulfillment) and then as soon as the shiny new project starts to seem like real work their motivation fades. I think a searchable "dead project" codebase or repository would be more beneficial than another one of these "find help here" type of platforms. Along with a wiki style (open source/collaborative) handbook of all the potential issues you may encounter along the way. Everything from marketing/sales to engineering issues.

pasabagi 9y ago

This drives me crazy. I'm a pretty good 3d artist, so it's very easy to find people who want to work with me on game projects. Sadly, I've yet to meet one who actually kept the enthusiasm the whole way through - even when I've literally made all the art! It's literally maddening to see so many games made with programmer art - and I just can't find anybody reliable to work with on any project. And, before you ask, I've tried contacting the makers of programmer art games - and it's almost always the case that they've moved on or got a job. I just want to work on a project where I can see stuff through to the end without relocating to get a job at a studio. But if I post an ad, I just get a ton of replies from people who will drop the project after I've invested hours of work into it - no matter what I do.

NKCSS 9y ago
Check out ThinMatrix. Not Sure id he’ll take you, but if he does, you can be sure he’ll stick to it.
- CryoLogic 9y ago
  Seconding this. ThinMatrix is an awesome developer and very persistent. He also needs help in the art area.
raresp 9y ago
"Sadly, I've yet to meet one who actually kept the enthusiasm the whole way through - even when I've literally made all the art!" Maybe that's because of you. You need to motivate the others in order to mentain their interest.
- pasabagi 9y ago
  I've considered this too. I think the problem is when you aren't paying people, you can't really demand they do stuff. I mean, perhaps you can - but I don't feel comfortable with it. So you end up being some kind of cheerleader - which I'm not great at.