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Vim has been a bit of a mixed blessing for me. I rarely actually use vim, but I use the keybindings everywhere. It's great because I can fairly comfortably mov

Vim has been a bit of a mixed blessing for me. I rarely actually use vim, but I use the keybindings everywhere. It's great because I can fairly comfortably move between most editors because most editors have a vim mode. The downside is that most editors don't have a complete vim mode, so it's never 100%.

linkmotif 9y ago
Exactly this is what I was thinking when I concurrently left kind of the same comment but with a lot less clarity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16552613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16552613. I am stuck in vi mode everywhere, but different flavors. And yet I like it a lot. (The latest version of JetBrains' vi mode with zero latency is great!)
strkek 9y ago
Bonus points for using vim mode on browser editors like CodeMirror or ACE, and then trying to delete a word via <C-w>.
- ben509 9y ago
  I have 'command' on the mac mapped to meta, sometimes I try to delete a word or reflow a paragraph...
- gkya 9y ago
  Add to that using C-q often in Emacs to insert literal characters when using sth. like quail, and then forgetting you're in a text area and not in Emacs and hitting C-q. Fortunately Firefox restores the content of the text area...
Sean1708 9y ago
Ah see what really bugs me is that most vim modes do try to be a complete vim mode (and the fact that they never succeed just adds insult to injury), they always try to be a vim emulator instead of providing vim-like keybindings that make sense in the context of the editor. I do appreciate that I'm very much in the minority here though.
- ufo 9y ago
  Neovim has a plugin api that let's it be used as a "real vim" back end for text editor plugins.
  - dotancohen 9y ago
    And I'm still searching for the good Python and PHP IDE that implements it. I'm hoping that Jetbrains will, as I use IdeaVIM in a few if their products, but right now I always have to switch between the IDE for general editing and VIM 8 or NeoVim for terrific macros or some hardcore surgery. Having that power right in PyCharm or any other decent IDE would be a dream.
- mistahchris 9y ago
  I'd argue that evil is the exception to this. It's vim emulation is astoundingly good.
rvo 9y ago
I use vim bindings in zsh, tmux (tmux modality plugin) and chrome (vimium). Pretty much 95 percent of my computer interactions right there. Why not just use vim? Why bother with other editors? I have changed jobs but carry my dot files with me.
- learc83 9y ago
  >Why not just use vim? Why bother with other editors? Because I use C# a lot and I really like all the support I get from Visual Studio.
moistoreos 9y ago
VS Code comes close though. Would still rather hit Vim/Neovim to do work in.
Jonathanks 9y ago
That's quite like my experience. I started out with Emacs, but I learned Vim along the way and the key bindings are awesome. I use them in other editors, but often they conflict with the editor's defaults, or they're not emulated properly. I don't use Vim exclusively (I couldn't get to customize it, couldn't get to learn vimscript), but the key bindings are great.

linkmotif 9y ago

Exactly this is what I was thinking when I concurrently left kind of the same comment but with a lot less clarity: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16552613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16552613. I am stuck in vi mode everywhere, but different flavors. And yet I like it a lot. (The latest version of JetBrains' vi mode with zero latency is great!)

strkek 9y ago

Bonus points for using vim mode on browser editors like CodeMirror or ACE, and then trying to delete a word via <C-w>.

ben509 9y ago
I have 'command' on the mac mapped to meta, sometimes I try to delete a word or reflow a paragraph...
gkya 9y ago
Add to that using C-q often in Emacs to insert literal characters when using sth. like quail, and then forgetting you're in a text area and not in Emacs and hitting C-q. Fortunately Firefox restores the content of the text area...

Sean1708 9y ago

Ah see what really bugs me is that most vim modes do try to be a complete vim mode (and the fact that they never succeed just adds insult to injury), they always try to be a vim emulator instead of providing vim-like keybindings that make sense in the context of the editor. I do appreciate that I'm very much in the minority here though.

ufo 9y ago
Neovim has a plugin api that let's it be used as a "real vim" back end for text editor plugins.
- dotancohen 9y ago
  And I'm still searching for the good Python and PHP IDE that implements it. I'm hoping that Jetbrains will, as I use IdeaVIM in a few if their products, but right now I always have to switch between the IDE for general editing and VIM 8 or NeoVim for terrific macros or some hardcore surgery. Having that power right in PyCharm or any other decent IDE would be a dream.
mistahchris 9y ago
I'd argue that evil is the exception to this. It's vim emulation is astoundingly good.

rvo 9y ago

I use vim bindings in zsh, tmux (tmux modality plugin) and chrome (vimium). Pretty much 95 percent of my computer interactions right there. Why not just use vim? Why bother with other editors? I have changed jobs but carry my dot files with me.

learc83 9y ago
>Why not just use vim? Why bother with other editors? Because I use C# a lot and I really like all the support I get from Visual Studio.

moistoreos 9y ago

VS Code comes close though. Would still rather hit Vim/Neovim to do work in.

Jonathanks 9y ago

That's quite like my experience. I started out with Emacs, but I learned Vim along the way and the key bindings are awesome. I use them in other editors, but often they conflict with the editor's defaults, or they're not emulated properly. I don't use Vim exclusively (I couldn't get to customize it, couldn't get to learn vimscript), but the key bindings are great.