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Clinton was vocally pro TPP through ~2012 but gradually flip-flopped during the run-up to the campaign and actively opposed it during the campaign. It's absolut

Clinton was vocally pro TPP through ~2012 but gradually flip-flopped during the run-up to the campaign and actively opposed it during the campaign. It's absolutely possible that she would have flip-flopped again if elected, but I don't think you can really say that with certainty. 2012: "This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements" [0] 2014: "Because TPP negotiations are still ongoing, it makes sense to reserve judgment until we can evaluate the final proposed agreement." [0] 2016: "I will stop any trade deal that kills jobs or holds down wages – including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I oppose it now, I’ll oppose it after the election, and I’ll oppose it as president." [1] [0] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/trump-clinton-free-trade-policies-tpp https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/trump-clinto...

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Clinton was vocally pro TPP through ~2012 It's worth recalling that Clinton was Obama's Secretary of State into 2013, and anything she said from 2009 til then is likely to reflect the position of the Administration rather than her personal views.
- sidlls 9y ago
  That isn't necessarily true. She is a thinking human being with the ability and in that job the profile and clout to form her own opinions. If she didn't agree with TPP she simply didn't consider it worth her job to push on the matter, which isn't much better than agreement with it. It's more likely, given her history as a pro-corporate, free-market conservative Democrat that she supported the TPP and her campaign rhetoric was a pile of lies.
- mc32 9y ago
  Never the less, she is quoted as claiming "This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field". She cannot denounce that. There is no way to say you support and believe in something with more vigor than that. It'd be her version of saying she liked something before she didn't like something in the most convenient way.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > She cannot denounce that. She can certainly denounce the outcome of a negotiation process that wasn't complete when she said that, or even when she left office as Secretary of State. The agreement drafted in 2015 and signed in 2016 may simply not reflect the thing she was talking about in 2012.
    - mc32 9y ago
      You can believe that. I think she is a true Globalist and it wasn't till Sanders and Trump changed people's attention and perspectives that she got her new religion. I'm quite sure if there had been a female president Clinton, we'd have ratified the TPP as it stood at the end of 2016. Never say never, but I'm as Sure as one can without a crystal ball that we'd be in that mess of an agreement without Sanders and Trump.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Clinton was vocally pro TPP through ~2012 It's worth recalling that Clinton was Obama's Secretary of State into 2013, and anything she said from 2009 til then is likely to reflect the position of the Administration rather than her personal views.

sidlls 9y ago
That isn't necessarily true. She is a thinking human being with the ability and in that job the profile and clout to form her own opinions. If she didn't agree with TPP she simply didn't consider it worth her job to push on the matter, which isn't much better than agreement with it. It's more likely, given her history as a pro-corporate, free-market conservative Democrat that she supported the TPP and her campaign rhetoric was a pile of lies.
mc32 9y ago
Never the less, she is quoted as claiming "This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field". She cannot denounce that. There is no way to say you support and believe in something with more vigor than that. It'd be her version of saying she liked something before she didn't like something in the most convenient way.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > She cannot denounce that. She can certainly denounce the outcome of a negotiation process that wasn't complete when she said that, or even when she left office as Secretary of State. The agreement drafted in 2015 and signed in 2016 may simply not reflect the thing she was talking about in 2012.
  - mc32 9y ago
    You can believe that. I think she is a true Globalist and it wasn't till Sanders and Trump changed people's attention and perspectives that she got her new religion. I'm quite sure if there had been a female president Clinton, we'd have ratified the TPP as it stood at the end of 2016. Never say never, but I'm as Sure as one can without a crystal ball that we'd be in that mess of an agreement without Sanders and Trump.