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> If you're buying an Android device, you're statistically likely trying to save money and therefore a new iPhone isn't a realistic option. Disagree strongly.

> If you're buying an Android device, you're statistically likely trying to save money and therefore a new iPhone isn't a realistic option. Disagree strongly. Yes, plenty of Android phones come in at lower price-points so they will be more appealing to people looking to save money when purchasing a smartphone. But calling this is "statistically likely" is a gross exaggeration of the situation.

scarface74 9y ago
How is it a gross exaggeration? The average selling price of an Android phone is $227. The ASP of an iPhone is $692. https://www.androidauthority.com/price-gap-samsung-apple-smartphones-769772/ https://www.androidauthority.com/price-gap-samsung-apple-sma... The fact is if your budget for a phone is $300. You're going to buy an Android. EDIT: The link above compares Apple and Samsung. The gap is even wider when you take all manufacturers into account. $691 - $215. http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/apple-android-asps/ http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/apple-android-asps/
apendleton 9y ago
I think by "statistically likely" they just mean "more than 50%," or, in other words, that lower-price-point Android phones outsell top-shelf ones. Given that upmarket they compete with the iPhone but downmarket they pretty much own the entire product space, this doesn't seem particularly unrealistic to me.
askafriend 9y ago
Like someone pointed out, there is significant data around this. I am not exaggerating in the slightest.
- criley2 9y ago
  You're hiding behind bad statistics to basically ignore all high end android phones, Galaxy devices etc. You're pretending the entire high end android market is "negligible" by using such shoddy statistics to essentially claim "Android = Budget". We all know what you're doing when you make cheap, short comments which obscure context to push narrative. This is a very similar situation to people who use averages because medians don't tell the narrative they want. You have a narrative, and you have damned statistics, so reality doesn't really get in your way.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    If the ASP of an Android phone is $227, how does that not imply my Android users are buying cheap phones?
  - shados 9y ago
    As mentioned already, I dont see whats hard to understand. High end android are similar to high end Iphone. Low end android are similar to...nothing in the iphone world. So people with money who like Android buy Android People with money who like iPhones buy iPhones People with low money who like Android buy Android People with low money who like iPhone...buy Android (there's the used market that make things a bit more complicated, but I still think the data would work out) I'm still going to enjoy my Galaxy S9+ in a week.
  - askafriend 9y ago
    I'm not making a value judgement about the devices or them being "budget". You're imposing that on my comment because for some reason you feel attacked by my statements. I am simply pointing out the realities of the market and what the data says. Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas. Look at Samsung's device ASP, it's around $300. Apple's is closer to $700. If you cross reference these ASP numbers with market penetration, the narrative will become clear. If Samsung's Galaxy line had significant impact, you'd see it reflected in the ASP numbers. If you want to have an actual measured conversation, feel free to introduce new facts or data that might help us both gain a better understanding of the mobile landscape. Until then, I don't think this conversation is entirely productive if you choose to throw away all the data I pointed out and attack me personally.
    - Oletros 9y ago
      > Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas. The study covers only USA.It is not an emerging market and it is one of the few that market share of iOS and Android are not very different

scarface74 9y ago

How is it a gross exaggeration? The average selling price of an Android phone is $227. The ASP of an iPhone is $692. https://www.androidauthority.com/price-gap-samsung-apple-smartphones-769772/ https://www.androidauthority.com/price-gap-samsung-apple-sma... The fact is if your budget for a phone is $300. You're going to buy an Android. EDIT: The link above compares Apple and Samsung. The gap is even wider when you take all manufacturers into account. $691 - $215. http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/apple-android-asps/ http://fortune.com/2016/02/15/apple-android-asps/

apendleton 9y ago

I think by "statistically likely" they just mean "more than 50%," or, in other words, that lower-price-point Android phones outsell top-shelf ones. Given that upmarket they compete with the iPhone but downmarket they pretty much own the entire product space, this doesn't seem particularly unrealistic to me.

askafriend 9y ago

Like someone pointed out, there is significant data around this. I am not exaggerating in the slightest.

criley2 9y ago
You're hiding behind bad statistics to basically ignore all high end android phones, Galaxy devices etc. You're pretending the entire high end android market is "negligible" by using such shoddy statistics to essentially claim "Android = Budget". We all know what you're doing when you make cheap, short comments which obscure context to push narrative. This is a very similar situation to people who use averages because medians don't tell the narrative they want. You have a narrative, and you have damned statistics, so reality doesn't really get in your way.
- scarface74 9y ago
  If the ASP of an Android phone is $227, how does that not imply my Android users are buying cheap phones?
- shados 9y ago
  As mentioned already, I dont see whats hard to understand. High end android are similar to high end Iphone. Low end android are similar to...nothing in the iphone world. So people with money who like Android buy Android People with money who like iPhones buy iPhones People with low money who like Android buy Android People with low money who like iPhone...buy Android (there's the used market that make things a bit more complicated, but I still think the data would work out) I'm still going to enjoy my Galaxy S9+ in a week.
- askafriend 9y ago
  I'm not making a value judgement about the devices or them being "budget". You're imposing that on my comment because for some reason you feel attacked by my statements. I am simply pointing out the realities of the market and what the data says. Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas. Look at Samsung's device ASP, it's around $300. Apple's is closer to $700. If you cross reference these ASP numbers with market penetration, the narrative will become clear. If Samsung's Galaxy line had significant impact, you'd see it reflected in the ASP numbers. If you want to have an actual measured conversation, feel free to introduce new facts or data that might help us both gain a better understanding of the mobile landscape. Until then, I don't think this conversation is entirely productive if you choose to throw away all the data I pointed out and attack me personally.
  - Oletros 9y ago
    > Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas. The study covers only USA.It is not an emerging market and it is one of the few that market share of iOS and Android are not very different