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I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

by Sargos 9y ago

Breefield 9y ago
This.
politician 9y ago
It does seem like a theft from the working population to replace daylight with fluorescents.
- nerpderp83 9y ago
  Take away water and replace it with diet soda. Sounds like a prison, we should charge for this.
benrbray 9y ago
Yes! I've always thought that we have it backwards. Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If anything we should move them forward in the winter when we actually need it. That or eliminate it altogether, keeping "daylight-time" the default.
- svantana 9y ago
  The amount of daylight is not changed by setting clocks. The point is to shift daylight hours away from "sleeping time", but still not having to get up when it's dark. The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful.
  - kgwgk 9y ago
    Of course the other option is to get up with the sunrise. Nobody forces you to sleep until 7AM or whatever.
  - jonknee 9y ago
    > The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful. How would that work? You'd be getting up at like 3:30AM in the Summer for no reason. That far North there's no way to avoid it being mostly light in the Summer and mostly dark in the Winter, there aren't enough hours of each to shift it around for consistency.
    - kgwgk 9y ago
      It will be 7:00AM, not 3:30AM. Mid-summer in Stocholm the sunset will be at 1:30 and the sunrise at 7:00. And 1000 miles south in Sarajevo clocks will be 1h30 behind, because by the time the Sun rises (at 7:00 local time) it will be already 8:30 in Stockholm...
      - jonknee 9y ago
        Yes, but in reality you'd have to adjust +/- 4 hours to keep waking up at the same time... All to have the sunset at a radically different time. I don't see what benefit that gives you and it would involve a ton of work/annoyances.
        kgwgk 9y ago
        I agree!
        svantana 9y ago
        I wasn't saying it's a good idea, just pointing out that it would be the optimal daylight savings. But I don't think you'd notice it too much because you're just shifting the clock ~2 minutes per day.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If Because: (1) Businesses want to keep consistent hours, (2) lots of work is more efficient with natural light (and people are better at getting up for work when it isn't significantly pre-dawn that they have to do that), (3) people seem more prone to do non-work activity out of the home after work and when there is sunlight; so, to preserve natural light for work when it is scarce and maximize what is available after work when it is plentiful, we turn the clocks back when the days are longer.
  - megaman22 9y ago
    For white-collar office work, many of us would probably be happier if we shifted our indoor, artificially lit, never-see-the-sky-anyway working hours to something like 4pm-midnight. Get some daylight that you could really actually use.
rwmj 9y ago
I'm quite convinced my parents believe that there's more sunlight because we switch to summer time.
- derekp7 9y ago
  Well, there is. It has nothing to do with DST though.
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- thekingofh 9y ago
  There is more time in the summer because of the angle of the Earth to the Sun. Can see the effects even more when at high angles like closer to the North Pole. And to boot, Daylight savings makes it even more pronounced. Hoping other states follow.
derekp7 9y ago
But why do we need to change the time on the clock in order to have this? Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.
- neurotrace 9y ago
  Not everyone has that luxury.
- function_seven 9y ago
  > Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. Boss, clients, etc won't allow me to. > If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months. That's exactly^H^H^H^H effectively what DST is.
  - golangnews 9y ago
    That’s exactly what DST is No, it’s not. Time zones and DST change clock time, this suggestion is to instead change the agreed times for work in a given place.
    - function_seven 9y ago
      That seems like a distinction without a difference, though. If the government says, "Between x and y months, all work start and stop times will shift earlier by one hour", it has the same effect as moving the clock itself. I should rephrase my comment: "That's effectively what DST is"
      - mattigames 9y ago
        Not even a little bit the same; timezone are extremely crucial for communication, if people outside the state don't have to look up the current timezone to understand "3:00 PM" means exactly the same one month from now that's a win all round. Also, now that everyone has a powerful computer in their pockets its extremely useful to register the times without changes based on regional laws.
runarberg 9y ago
On the contrary Iceland, which is currently on permanent DST is considering moving the clock back an hour, getting closer to solar noon, because it turns out constantly waking up in darkness might have bad effects on the the general health of the population. You might think you prefer sunlight after work. But it seems the scientific consensus is shifting towards believing the contrary. And having lived most of my life in permanent DST, I can honestly say I agree with this shifting scientific consensus.

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

by Sargos 9y ago

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

Breefield 9y ago

This.

politician 9y ago

It does seem like a theft from the working population to replace daylight with fluorescents.

nerpderp83 9y ago
Take away water and replace it with diet soda. Sounds like a prison, we should charge for this.

benrbray 9y ago

Yes! I've always thought that we have it backwards. Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If anything we should move them forward in the winter when we actually need it. That or eliminate it altogether, keeping "daylight-time" the default.

svantana 9y ago
The amount of daylight is not changed by setting clocks. The point is to shift daylight hours away from "sleeping time", but still not having to get up when it's dark. The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful.
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Of course the other option is to get up with the sunrise. Nobody forces you to sleep until 7AM or whatever.
- jonknee 9y ago
  > The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful. How would that work? You'd be getting up at like 3:30AM in the Summer for no reason. That far North there's no way to avoid it being mostly light in the Summer and mostly dark in the Winter, there aren't enough hours of each to shift it around for consistency.
  - kgwgk 9y ago
    It will be 7:00AM, not 3:30AM. Mid-summer in Stocholm the sunset will be at 1:30 and the sunrise at 7:00. And 1000 miles south in Sarajevo clocks will be 1h30 behind, because by the time the Sun rises (at 7:00 local time) it will be already 8:30 in Stockholm...
    - jonknee 9y ago
      Yes, but in reality you'd have to adjust +/- 4 hours to keep waking up at the same time... All to have the sunset at a radically different time. I don't see what benefit that gives you and it would involve a ton of work/annoyances.
      - kgwgk 9y ago
        I agree!
      - svantana 9y ago
        I wasn't saying it's a good idea, just pointing out that it would be the optimal daylight savings. But I don't think you'd notice it too much because you're just shifting the clock ~2 minutes per day.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If Because: (1) Businesses want to keep consistent hours, (2) lots of work is more efficient with natural light (and people are better at getting up for work when it isn't significantly pre-dawn that they have to do that), (3) people seem more prone to do non-work activity out of the home after work and when there is sunlight; so, to preserve natural light for work when it is scarce and maximize what is available after work when it is plentiful, we turn the clocks back when the days are longer.
- megaman22 9y ago
  For white-collar office work, many of us would probably be happier if we shifted our indoor, artificially lit, never-see-the-sky-anyway working hours to something like 4pm-midnight. Get some daylight that you could really actually use.

rwmj 9y ago

I'm quite convinced my parents believe that there's more sunlight because we switch to summer time.

derekp7 9y ago
Well, there is. It has nothing to do with DST though.
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thekingofh 9y ago
There is more time in the summer because of the angle of the Earth to the Sun. Can see the effects even more when at high angles like closer to the North Pole. And to boot, Daylight savings makes it even more pronounced. Hoping other states follow.

derekp7 9y ago

But why do we need to change the time on the clock in order to have this? Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.

neurotrace 9y ago
Not everyone has that luxury.
function_seven 9y ago
> Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. Boss, clients, etc won't allow me to. > If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months. That's exactly^H^H^H^H effectively what DST is.
- golangnews 9y ago
  That’s exactly what DST is No, it’s not. Time zones and DST change clock time, this suggestion is to instead change the agreed times for work in a given place.
  - function_seven 9y ago
    That seems like a distinction without a difference, though. If the government says, "Between x and y months, all work start and stop times will shift earlier by one hour", it has the same effect as moving the clock itself. I should rephrase my comment: "That's effectively what DST is"
    - mattigames 9y ago
      Not even a little bit the same; timezone are extremely crucial for communication, if people outside the state don't have to look up the current timezone to understand "3:00 PM" means exactly the same one month from now that's a win all round. Also, now that everyone has a powerful computer in their pockets its extremely useful to register the times without changes based on regional laws.

runarberg 9y ago

On the contrary Iceland, which is currently on permanent DST is considering moving the clock back an hour, getting closer to solar noon, because it turns out constantly waking up in darkness might have bad effects on the the general health of the population. You might think you prefer sunlight after work. But it seems the scientific consensus is shifting towards believing the contrary. And having lived most of my life in permanent DST, I can honestly say I agree with this shifting scientific consensus.