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Here's an antidote: https://www.theknifemedia.com/ https://www.theknifemedia.com/

by stcredzero 9y ago

dgut 9y ago
Thanks for the link.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Here's another, with fairly good voluntary moderation: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/
  - kbenson 9y ago
    Wow, that's an interesting sub. They've formalized a lot of the HN community standards into hard rules, and brutally enforce them. For example, this[1] post has 36 comments, and 10 of them were removed for either not being substantive, not backing up statements of fact with a source, or some other reason, and another is reminder of a top level comment to include sources. I'm not sure they haven't gone too far to some degree here, especially since the offending comments were deleted, not just hidden, so it's hard to see whether the mods are justified or not in all cases. I subbed in any case, so I guess I'll get a chance to see more to make a more informed decision. 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/81f8wf/are_there_significant_amounts_of_nonreciprocal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/81f8wf/are...
anigbrowl 9y ago
Pseudo-objectivity with pretty analytics that just happens to have a glaring selection bias and where everything is neatly explained by self-appointed analytical experts. In other words, just like existing media but with catchier design.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Pseudo-objectivity They are at least directly addressing the mechanism of emotive language discussed in Manufacturing Consent. It looks to me, like they're doing a much better than average job at that. glaring selection bias Pretty much a part of the human condition. At least they're trying.
13years 9y ago
Looks good, but in the end, this is what I tell people. "The media you trust is the most dangerous media of all." In other words, don't ever turn off your brain and just accept what you are being told. Inevitably the only solution is to question it all and get input from multiple sources.
bmpafa 9y ago
nice site, but i'll never understand the thinking behind "let's ask if they want to receive notifications immediately upon first page-hit" does anyone actually click 'yes' to that prompt?
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Notifications on websites are just the pop-ups of 2018.
  - smichel17 9y ago
    There are some sites on which I appreciate them, but exclusively those are sites where I have accounts and would otherwise revive them over email or something. Anything that asks to show notifications on first load gets "never show".
  - bmpafa 9y ago
    ...which are just the spam mail of 2008, which were just the extra-volume used car ads of 1999, which were just the pushy salesman of the 19-aughts. Everything new is old and notification prompts on first visit are still a terrible idea.

Here's an antidote: https://www.theknifemedia.com/ https://www.theknifemedia.com/

dgut 9y ago

Thanks for the link.

stcredzero 9y ago
Here's another, with fairly good voluntary moderation: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/
- kbenson 9y ago
  Wow, that's an interesting sub. They've formalized a lot of the HN community standards into hard rules, and brutally enforce them. For example, this[1] post has 36 comments, and 10 of them were removed for either not being substantive, not backing up statements of fact with a source, or some other reason, and another is reminder of a top level comment to include sources. I'm not sure they haven't gone too far to some degree here, especially since the offending comments were deleted, not just hidden, so it's hard to see whether the mods are justified or not in all cases. I subbed in any case, so I guess I'll get a chance to see more to make a more informed decision. 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/81f8wf/are_there_significant_amounts_of_nonreciprocal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/81f8wf/are...

anigbrowl 9y ago

Pseudo-objectivity with pretty analytics that just happens to have a glaring selection bias and where everything is neatly explained by self-appointed analytical experts. In other words, just like existing media but with catchier design.

stcredzero 9y ago
Pseudo-objectivity They are at least directly addressing the mechanism of emotive language discussed in Manufacturing Consent. It looks to me, like they're doing a much better than average job at that. glaring selection bias Pretty much a part of the human condition. At least they're trying.

13years 9y ago

Looks good, but in the end, this is what I tell people. "The media you trust is the most dangerous media of all." In other words, don't ever turn off your brain and just accept what you are being told. Inevitably the only solution is to question it all and get input from multiple sources.

bmpafa 9y ago

nice site, but i'll never understand the thinking behind "let's ask if they want to receive notifications immediately upon first page-hit" does anyone actually click 'yes' to that prompt?

stcredzero 9y ago
Notifications on websites are just the pop-ups of 2018.
- smichel17 9y ago
  There are some sites on which I appreciate them, but exclusively those are sites where I have accounts and would otherwise revive them over email or something. Anything that asks to show notifications on first load gets "never show".
- bmpafa 9y ago
  ...which are just the spam mail of 2008, which were just the extra-volume used car ads of 1999, which were just the pushy salesman of the 19-aughts. Everything new is old and notification prompts on first visit are still a terrible idea.