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I don’t understand this comment. It doesn’t seem to address any of the key technical points behind the Stellar project as it is actively used today, but instead

I don’t understand this comment. It doesn’t seem to address any of the key technical points behind the Stellar project as it is actively used today, but instead tries to imply that the foundation is some group of fly-by-night scammers that have won over keybase by nothing more than a twinkle in their eye. My impression was that Lumens seemed to be solving one of the legitimate problems of the world—the inefficiency of the SWIFT system for cross-border transactions—and appears to have a viable model for doing so. I don’t see how whether or not it’s centralized makes it a swindle?

diakritikal 9y ago
It's possible more than one system could replace SWIFT, but why would it be Stellar/Lumens who are still in the gate with their fork when Ripple/XRP seem to be already round the first bend with seemingly very large momentum in terms of interest, trials and actual production use by financial institutions?
- ordinaryradical 9y ago
  Yes, but perhaps your framework for approaching this is a little too old school? When SWIFT was devised, the idea of having a singular system for resolving these transactions not only made sense but was (probably?) technically necessary. I think given where we are today, multiple competing protocols, each with their own advantages, may be viable. Lastly, for finance, consumer choice is valuable: I like being able to Venmo my friends, autodeposit my landlord, slow mail my bills, and Apple Pay my retail purchases. I don’t send money overseas but I could imagine a similar bifurcation of solutions in this space, all with their own advantages.
- mazieres 9y ago
  How is Stellar still "in the gate," more than two years after deploying their decentralized Byzantine agreement algorithm? Ripple has only just now, in 2018, published their decentralized consensus algorithm (Cobalt), which as far as I know is not even in production use yet, and doesn't provide optimal safety. (In settings where Cobalt is guaranteed Safe, SCP would be too, but not vice versa.) Their production network still uses a protocol that, by Ripple's own analysis (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07242 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07242), fails to guarantee safety without >90% agreement on the UNL.
staplers 9y ago
the foundation is some group of fly-by-night scammers Never said that. There are plenty of institutionalized and heavily trusted ventures on wall street that rake in billions and buy their way to the top. This was my implication. I have known 'Stellar' since its beginnings as Ripple. I have no expectations of changing your mind or obligation to convince you otherwise. Just thought I'd share my viewpoint.

diakritikal 9y ago

It's possible more than one system could replace SWIFT, but why would it be Stellar/Lumens who are still in the gate with their fork when Ripple/XRP seem to be already round the first bend with seemingly very large momentum in terms of interest, trials and actual production use by financial institutions?

ordinaryradical 9y ago
Yes, but perhaps your framework for approaching this is a little too old school? When SWIFT was devised, the idea of having a singular system for resolving these transactions not only made sense but was (probably?) technically necessary. I think given where we are today, multiple competing protocols, each with their own advantages, may be viable. Lastly, for finance, consumer choice is valuable: I like being able to Venmo my friends, autodeposit my landlord, slow mail my bills, and Apple Pay my retail purchases. I don’t send money overseas but I could imagine a similar bifurcation of solutions in this space, all with their own advantages.
mazieres 9y ago
How is Stellar still "in the gate," more than two years after deploying their decentralized Byzantine agreement algorithm? Ripple has only just now, in 2018, published their decentralized consensus algorithm (Cobalt), which as far as I know is not even in production use yet, and doesn't provide optimal safety. (In settings where Cobalt is guaranteed Safe, SCP would be too, but not vice versa.) Their production network still uses a protocol that, by Ripple's own analysis (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07242 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07242), fails to guarantee safety without >90% agreement on the UNL.

staplers 9y ago

the foundation is some group of fly-by-night scammers Never said that. There are plenty of institutionalized and heavily trusted ventures on wall street that rake in billions and buy their way to the top. This was my implication. I have known 'Stellar' since its beginnings as Ripple. I have no expectations of changing your mind or obligation to convince you otherwise. Just thought I'd share my viewpoint.