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This is really just re-labeling the numbers for time. So now, 9 am is called 10 am. Alternatively, they are forcing people to wake up earlier but this effect m

This is really just re-labeling the numbers for time. So now, 9 am is called 10 am. Alternatively, they are forcing people to wake up earlier but this effect may not last for long. By 'earlier' I mean it in the sense of our biological clocks. There is something about people who push for permanent daylight savings. They are usually morning people who can't seem to (or want to) understand that what works for them is not necessarily what works for everyone. Many students especially are hurt by early schedules because that causes them to not get enough sleep.

thrownaway954 9y ago
"They are usually morning people" - golfers: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-you-enjoying-daylight-saving-you-can-thank-the-golf-industry-sort-of https://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-you-enjoying-daylight-s... And for the candy industry: https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/an-extra-hour-of-daylight-thank-the-candy-lobby/ https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/an-extra-hour-...
sk5t 9y ago
> This is really just re-labeling the numbers for time. So now, 9 am is called 10 am Were you expecting some fundamental shift in space-time? Aren't all of our efforts at DST, time zones, leap seconds, and so on, simply ways to assign an economically and politically convenient label to each instant in time?
- robotcookies 9y ago
  The labels we assign start to have significance. 12 has significance as lunch time to most. 9 am may be when business starts. When I say they are just re-labeling numbers, I mean that if someone now gets hungry at 1pm instead of 12, that individual will start to act accordingly. It's possible that people will start to eat at 1pm and the significance of those clock numbers starts to change accordingly. Maybe that happens or maybe not. My point is they established their significance for a reason. But imagine if a group of people who got hungry at 11am all the time decided it was good to establish 11am as lunch time by calling it noon.
jonwachob91 9y ago
How are they forcing anyone to wake up any earlier? Sunday marks the switch to DST for the entire country, so you'd be waking up earlier anyways, this law just means that come November we won't be messing with our clocks and learning a new sleep pattern.
- robotcookies 9y ago
  By 'earlier', I mean that in terms of our biological clocks. Some people are prone to sleeping later after the sun goes down and getting up later while others are the opposite.
maxerickson 9y ago
DST moves sunlight into the evening. How is that a morning person thing? As far as kids and school, here they start too early during standard time too.
- robotcookies 9y ago
  Let's say that society decides that 8 am is appropriate to start business. Most businesses open around that time. Let's say to provide a reference, that 8am is 1 hour after sunrise on June 10. By pushing the time forward, 8am is now when the sunrises on June 10. You have effectively made everyone start the day at sunrise instead of 1 hour after sunrise. This is definitely a morning-person thing. People who are functional earlier benefit over those who aren't.

thrownaway954 9y ago

"They are usually morning people" - golfers: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-you-enjoying-daylight-saving-you-can-thank-the-golf-industry-sort-of https://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-you-enjoying-daylight-s... And for the candy industry: https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/an-extra-hour-of-daylight-thank-the-candy-lobby/ https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/an-extra-hour-...

sk5t 9y ago

> This is really just re-labeling the numbers for time. So now, 9 am is called 10 am Were you expecting some fundamental shift in space-time? Aren't all of our efforts at DST, time zones, leap seconds, and so on, simply ways to assign an economically and politically convenient label to each instant in time?

robotcookies 9y ago
The labels we assign start to have significance. 12 has significance as lunch time to most. 9 am may be when business starts. When I say they are just re-labeling numbers, I mean that if someone now gets hungry at 1pm instead of 12, that individual will start to act accordingly. It's possible that people will start to eat at 1pm and the significance of those clock numbers starts to change accordingly. Maybe that happens or maybe not. My point is they established their significance for a reason. But imagine if a group of people who got hungry at 11am all the time decided it was good to establish 11am as lunch time by calling it noon.

jonwachob91 9y ago

How are they forcing anyone to wake up any earlier? Sunday marks the switch to DST for the entire country, so you'd be waking up earlier anyways, this law just means that come November we won't be messing with our clocks and learning a new sleep pattern.

robotcookies 9y ago
By 'earlier', I mean that in terms of our biological clocks. Some people are prone to sleeping later after the sun goes down and getting up later while others are the opposite.

maxerickson 9y ago

DST moves sunlight into the evening. How is that a morning person thing? As far as kids and school, here they start too early during standard time too.

robotcookies 9y ago
Let's say that society decides that 8 am is appropriate to start business. Most businesses open around that time. Let's say to provide a reference, that 8am is 1 hour after sunrise on June 10. By pushing the time forward, 8am is now when the sunrises on June 10. You have effectively made everyone start the day at sunrise instead of 1 hour after sunrise. This is definitely a morning-person thing. People who are functional earlier benefit over those who aren't.