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We need to focus on folks who're sufficiently motivated to solve this problem. If a refundable $25 is too high a hurdle, it's unlikely those folks will actually

We need to focus on folks who're sufficiently motivated to solve this problem. If a refundable $25 is too high a hurdle, it's unlikely those folks will actually attempt to use the tool, reflect on their workflow, or otherwise help us build a compelling product.

ryanSrich 9y ago
I love this attitude. I backed the Kickstarter last year, because I feel the industry is greatly lacking in quality tools. What you guys have built is worth far more than $25.
colmvp 9y ago
That's a fair perspective, but that doesn't ring true for me. I've spent money on Spotify, Prime, Patreon (to support local podcasters and niche YouTube content), Twitch streamers, software (Sketch, Lightroom), Marvel/Invision... all because I got to sample the software or produced content and want to support the artist/developers. Anyways, good luck. Competition and subsequent innovation is always a good thing.
ccleve 9y ago
Disagree. First, I won't say your product is a commodity, but there are many, many, many layout and design tools out there. I'm not going to pay $25 to evaluate each one. It's as much about the sign-up-and-hand-over-the-credit-card process as it is about the money. Second, the fact that it's refundable doesn't matter. I'm never going to ask for a refund. The hassle and the back-and-forth isn't worth $25 to me. Third, I'm willing to pay way more than $25 if your tool actually solves my problem. There are tons of UI tools out there, but I haven't found the one. It's totally worth it to me if you save me hours of work. So don't add any friction to the process. Feel free to time-limit or cripple the tool so I have to pay to do any real work, but don't waste my time, and don't make me pay you for the privilege of sinking a bunch of my time into determining if your product works or not. Find a way to do free trials, and do it in such a way that your costs are minimal. It's worth it.
- subatomic 9y ago
  I don't understand the downvoting going on here. Even if you don't agree with the comment, it's still a valid point.
adisinom 9y ago
In lieu of shelling out $25, I took the engine for a spin to get an idea of the layout model. For others that might be interested: https://paul.bluereboot.net/subform/ https://paul.bluereboot.net/subform/ Reminds me of HTML tables and GroupLayout. Wasn't sure how to specify min/max sizes.

ryanSrich 9y ago

I love this attitude. I backed the Kickstarter last year, because I feel the industry is greatly lacking in quality tools. What you guys have built is worth far more than $25.

colmvp 9y ago

That's a fair perspective, but that doesn't ring true for me. I've spent money on Spotify, Prime, Patreon (to support local podcasters and niche YouTube content), Twitch streamers, software (Sketch, Lightroom), Marvel/Invision... all because I got to sample the software or produced content and want to support the artist/developers. Anyways, good luck. Competition and subsequent innovation is always a good thing.

ccleve 9y ago

Disagree. First, I won't say your product is a commodity, but there are many, many, many layout and design tools out there. I'm not going to pay $25 to evaluate each one. It's as much about the sign-up-and-hand-over-the-credit-card process as it is about the money. Second, the fact that it's refundable doesn't matter. I'm never going to ask for a refund. The hassle and the back-and-forth isn't worth $25 to me. Third, I'm willing to pay way more than $25 if your tool actually solves my problem. There are tons of UI tools out there, but I haven't found the one. It's totally worth it to me if you save me hours of work. So don't add any friction to the process. Feel free to time-limit or cripple the tool so I have to pay to do any real work, but don't waste my time, and don't make me pay you for the privilege of sinking a bunch of my time into determining if your product works or not. Find a way to do free trials, and do it in such a way that your costs are minimal. It's worth it.

subatomic 9y ago
I don't understand the downvoting going on here. Even if you don't agree with the comment, it's still a valid point.

adisinom 9y ago

In lieu of shelling out $25, I took the engine for a spin to get an idea of the layout model. For others that might be interested: https://paul.bluereboot.net/subform/ https://paul.bluereboot.net/subform/ Reminds me of HTML tables and GroupLayout. Wasn't sure how to specify min/max sizes.