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> XMPP [...] is fragmented (not every client implements desired extensions), etc. How much I hate this "X is fragmented" argument. When two pieces of software

> XMPP [...] is fragmented (not every client implements desired extensions), etc. How much I hate this "X is fragmented" argument. When two pieces of software that speak a common set of core protocols and thus can achieve at least some level of interoperability, but there is no perfect feature parity, then OH HORROR, IT IS FRAGMENTED!!1111 The obvious solution? Use a product that does not interoperate with absolutely anything at all ... Next people are going to claim that you should learn some random endangered language instead of English to avoid the "fragmentation" due to the numerous dialects, I guess.

s73v3r_ 9y ago
"The obvious solution? Use a product that does not interoperate with absolutely anything at all ..." You mean use a product with a baseline feature set where you can count on all the clients seeing things the same way and supporting the same thing.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  Sorry, but that is just obvious flat-out bullshit. Have you tried using Psi (an XMPP client) to communicate with a user using the Slack client (well, after this change, obviously ...)? Did you have any success with that? No, of course not. In other words: Slack is obviously not a product where you can "count on all the clients seeing things the same way and supporting the same thing.". Slack works with exactly one client at the other end, so it is bullshit to claim that it "works the same with all clients", when in fact it works with exactly one client, and that's it, with other clients you get exactly no interoperability at all. And it is bullshit squared to pretend that that is somehow an advantage over other technologies: No single client using any protocol provides an inconsistent featureset or interface. It doesn't matter which single client and which protocol you use, you will always get a consistent featureset and interface. That has absolutely nothing to do with Slack, but only with the fact that you standardize on one client.
  - s73v3r_ 9y ago
    Most people using Slack are using the Slack client. Therefore, yes, I can count on there being a baseline.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
      OK ... and now, can you tell me about a Psi user who is not using Psi?
- xorcist 9y ago
  Yes, let's stop using Linux entirely. Everyone uses different versions, it's too fragmented and can not possibly be useful to anyone. A proprietary platform where everyone the same product with identical feature set would easy out-compete it. It is apparent that the cloud is obviously betting on the wrong horse.

s73v3r_ 9y ago

"The obvious solution? Use a product that does not interoperate with absolutely anything at all ..." You mean use a product with a baseline feature set where you can count on all the clients seeing things the same way and supporting the same thing.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
Sorry, but that is just obvious flat-out bullshit. Have you tried using Psi (an XMPP client) to communicate with a user using the Slack client (well, after this change, obviously ...)? Did you have any success with that? No, of course not. In other words: Slack is obviously not a product where you can "count on all the clients seeing things the same way and supporting the same thing.". Slack works with exactly one client at the other end, so it is bullshit to claim that it "works the same with all clients", when in fact it works with exactly one client, and that's it, with other clients you get exactly no interoperability at all. And it is bullshit squared to pretend that that is somehow an advantage over other technologies: No single client using any protocol provides an inconsistent featureset or interface. It doesn't matter which single client and which protocol you use, you will always get a consistent featureset and interface. That has absolutely nothing to do with Slack, but only with the fact that you standardize on one client.
- s73v3r_ 9y ago
  Most people using Slack are using the Slack client. Therefore, yes, I can count on there being a baseline.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
    OK ... and now, can you tell me about a Psi user who is not using Psi?
xorcist 9y ago
Yes, let's stop using Linux entirely. Everyone uses different versions, it's too fragmented and can not possibly be useful to anyone. A proprietary platform where everyone the same product with identical feature set would easy out-compete it. It is apparent that the cloud is obviously betting on the wrong horse.