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AWS Fargate will be interesting too. But, like you said for EKS, it's still in private beta as well. I'm also keeping a pulse on riff [1] as a k8s FaaS. [1]:

AWS Fargate will be interesting too. But, like you said for EKS, it's still in private beta as well. I'm also keeping a pulse on riff [1] as a k8s FaaS. [1]: https://github.com/projectriff/riff https://github.com/projectriff/riff

tyingq 9y ago
That's great, thanks for sharing. I'm currently the "why don't we wait a little" guy in a F500 where apps are trying to manage their own K8S installs. Still feel pretty strongly that "just wait a bit" is the right answer. I'm not loved at the moment for that opinion ;)
- kevin_nisbet 9y ago
  At gravitational we actually build a platform for this: https://gravitational.com/telekube/ https://gravitational.com/telekube/ Among other things, let's you package an app and kubernetes together into a unified installer, upgrade it, etc. No internet access required or kubernetes experience needed for end users.
  - tedmiston 9y ago
    Is your product like Pivotal's PCF / PAS? https://pivotal.io/platform/pivotal-application-service https://pivotal.io/platform/pivotal-application-service
    - jacques_chester 9y ago
      At a glance, no. PAS is our distribution of CFAR, what you might think of as "classic" Cloud Foundry. Our k8s distro is PKS, which is the closer one here. Disclosure: I work for Pivotal.
- tedmiston 9y ago
  The k8s ecosystem is definitely volatile right now and there are a lot of good projects coming from that, but yeah, there's a lot of building layers from the ground up. If you've used competing orchestration platforms or just dealt with lots of snowflake environments in the past, developing on top of k8s today is still a much much nicer experience. Shameless plug: We've recently re-written our platform which glues together open source data engineering tools to run on k8s [0] which may be worth checking out if you're interested in user analytics or ETL pipelines on k8s as opposed to writing for it at an app level. It's almost all open source as well. We're rolling out for multiple F500s currently :). [0]: https://github.com/astronomerio/astronomer https://github.com/astronomerio/astronomer
- jacques_chester 9y ago
  If you need an F500-friendly kubernetes platform, Pivotal has PKS. Red Hat has OpenShift. I imagine either of us would be happy to listen to what's worrying you. Disclosure: as you might have guessed, I work for Pivotal.
  - tyingq 9y ago
    I’m aware, but the licensing implications for highly elastic environments are suboptimal for both RedHat and Pivotal at the moment. Thus, I continue to wait for the big 3 cloud providers to figure it out. Unrelated, but seems like an opening for Linode or DigitalOcean.
    - joeevans1000 9y ago
      Can you elaborate? Not at all a doubter here of what you're saying... could just benefit from a tl&dr as I'm not likely to sort licensing issues out on my own.
      - tyingq 9y ago
        Just adds another set of pricing complexity on top of AWS's. Look at the pricing for either and you'll see the per-hour plus limits on vcpu or memory, charges for going over the limit, etc.
        jacques_chester 9y ago
        PCF is not licensed according to inputs (cores, memory). It's licensed by application instance -- ie, the output of what you bought from us. If you run one giant app with all the CPUs and RAM you can muster, that counts as one AI. We like this model because (1) it roughly approximates the added value our customers derive and (2) it's easy to calculate without disagreement. We do bill PWS based on total RAM-minutes, but that's simply because the existing hosted-PaaS market assumes that model. Our price for PWS is pretty close to what it costs us to run the bits on AWS. Of course, I should emphasise, I do not work in the sales side of things, where prices can be discussed and Baldwin quotes abound. But I kinda like the sales folk in my office, so if you want to meet one, please email me.
zedpm 9y ago
Fargate is generally available.
- luhn 9y ago
  Only for ECS, not yet EKS/Kubernetes.
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tyingq 9y ago

That's great, thanks for sharing. I'm currently the "why don't we wait a little" guy in a F500 where apps are trying to manage their own K8S installs. Still feel pretty strongly that "just wait a bit" is the right answer. I'm not loved at the moment for that opinion ;)

kevin_nisbet 9y ago
At gravitational we actually build a platform for this: https://gravitational.com/telekube/ https://gravitational.com/telekube/ Among other things, let's you package an app and kubernetes together into a unified installer, upgrade it, etc. No internet access required or kubernetes experience needed for end users.
- tedmiston 9y ago
  Is your product like Pivotal's PCF / PAS? https://pivotal.io/platform/pivotal-application-service https://pivotal.io/platform/pivotal-application-service
  - jacques_chester 9y ago
    At a glance, no. PAS is our distribution of CFAR, what you might think of as "classic" Cloud Foundry. Our k8s distro is PKS, which is the closer one here. Disclosure: I work for Pivotal.
tedmiston 9y ago
The k8s ecosystem is definitely volatile right now and there are a lot of good projects coming from that, but yeah, there's a lot of building layers from the ground up. If you've used competing orchestration platforms or just dealt with lots of snowflake environments in the past, developing on top of k8s today is still a much much nicer experience. Shameless plug: We've recently re-written our platform which glues together open source data engineering tools to run on k8s [0] which may be worth checking out if you're interested in user analytics or ETL pipelines on k8s as opposed to writing for it at an app level. It's almost all open source as well. We're rolling out for multiple F500s currently :). [0]: https://github.com/astronomerio/astronomer https://github.com/astronomerio/astronomer
jacques_chester 9y ago
If you need an F500-friendly kubernetes platform, Pivotal has PKS. Red Hat has OpenShift. I imagine either of us would be happy to listen to what's worrying you. Disclosure: as you might have guessed, I work for Pivotal.
- tyingq 9y ago
  I’m aware, but the licensing implications for highly elastic environments are suboptimal for both RedHat and Pivotal at the moment. Thus, I continue to wait for the big 3 cloud providers to figure it out. Unrelated, but seems like an opening for Linode or DigitalOcean.
  - joeevans1000 9y ago
    Can you elaborate? Not at all a doubter here of what you're saying... could just benefit from a tl&dr as I'm not likely to sort licensing issues out on my own.
    - tyingq 9y ago
      Just adds another set of pricing complexity on top of AWS's. Look at the pricing for either and you'll see the per-hour plus limits on vcpu or memory, charges for going over the limit, etc.
      - jacques_chester 9y ago
        PCF is not licensed according to inputs (cores, memory). It's licensed by application instance -- ie, the output of what you bought from us. If you run one giant app with all the CPUs and RAM you can muster, that counts as one AI. We like this model because (1) it roughly approximates the added value our customers derive and (2) it's easy to calculate without disagreement. We do bill PWS based on total RAM-minutes, but that's simply because the existing hosted-PaaS market assumes that model. Our price for PWS is pretty close to what it costs us to run the bits on AWS. Of course, I should emphasise, I do not work in the sales side of things, where prices can be discussed and Baldwin quotes abound. But I kinda like the sales folk in my office, so if you want to meet one, please email me.

zedpm 9y ago

Fargate is generally available.

luhn 9y ago
Only for ECS, not yet EKS/Kubernetes.
- deleted 9y ago
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