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Hasn't this been a thing since forever on Android? People are always lamenting that uptake of the newest version (or newest 2 versions) is slow. Do you actuall

Hasn't this been a thing since forever on Android? People are always lamenting that uptake of the newest version (or newest 2 versions) is slow. Do you actually have evidence that the uptake of this specific version is slow? Otherwise I don't see any reason to believe this is out of the ordinary for Android. I remember when it took forever to go from Donut to Eclair on my T-mobile MyTouch device... when the newest version was already Froyo.

pjmlp 9y ago
Yes, the evolution on dashboard, currently at 1.1% about two months away from Google I/O, probably one of the lowest numbers so far. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
- viraptor 9y ago
  They'll have to move at some point. If the transition is painful/long, so be it. The affected companies is why we're in this mess in the first place. Now Google enforces the new rules about the platform compatibility, so let's see how it plays out.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    There is no enforcement being made by Google, OEMs get to decide if they ship any kind of updates, even with Treble.
    - viraptor 9y ago
      The enforcement is in Treble. The first OEM to embrace it will be able to advertise as more up to date than competition. One is all it will take...
      - RussianCow 9y ago
        > The first OEM to embrace it will be able to advertise as more up to date than competition. Except I don't know how much this will matter, given that the average user doesn't know or care about any of this stuff.
        viraptor 9y ago
        We're at the point where not much matters anyway. The phones we have are amazing. Sure, it doesn't make much difference, but it's a selling point. Other advertised features which don't matter to most users: the notch, AR, full size display, active display on edges, assistant updates, AMOLED, app privilege restrictions, curved displays, ... They're all good for advertisement and gimmicks. They may improve the phone a little bit. They're not needed and almost everybody cares only because they were advertised. (If they care at all)
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        It is not. Treble does not require OEMs to push updates. This has been clearly explained on the ADB Podcast and nowhere to be seen on the certification requirements.
- squiggleblaz 9y ago
  Are you able to see something I can't? I get a few pie charts showing current use in the last seven days, but I can't see any evolution (e.g. I might expect some kind of line graph with time along the x axis, proportion on the y axis and separate lines for each version; or maybe a 2D table with again time as an axis). Or perhaps you're just accustomed to monitoring this? With respect, I don't think that constitutes (neutral, inspectable) evidence, but rather witness testimony.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Anyone used to do Android development checks those charts regularly.
- jsight 9y ago
  But that is also pretty typical. It moves really slowly, and then a few major new devices are released and others almost simultaneously get updates. Hey look, the S9 and S9+ are launching with Oreo, the S8 is steadily getting it, and the Note 8 will be getting it realy soon!
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Not everyone is using expensive Samsung devices.
    - eitland 9y ago
      I'm waiting for the relatively more reasonably priced Nokia 7 plus (or another Nokia model with AndroidOne.)
    - jsight 9y ago
      I'm not sure how that is related to my point? I don't use expensive Samsung devices either and won't be updated to Oreo any time soon. But Samsung does have a large market share and them moving to Oreo right now will make the numbers start to shift pretty quickly. Basically, Android adoption tends to be glacially slow for quite a few months (~2% total), fast for the next few (up into the 20% range), and then the growth slows again for the next year or so with no single version ever quite hitting 50%.

pjmlp 9y ago

Yes, the evolution on dashboard, currently at 1.1% about two months away from Google I/O, probably one of the lowest numbers so far. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

viraptor 9y ago
They'll have to move at some point. If the transition is painful/long, so be it. The affected companies is why we're in this mess in the first place. Now Google enforces the new rules about the platform compatibility, so let's see how it plays out.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  There is no enforcement being made by Google, OEMs get to decide if they ship any kind of updates, even with Treble.
  - viraptor 9y ago
    The enforcement is in Treble. The first OEM to embrace it will be able to advertise as more up to date than competition. One is all it will take...
    - RussianCow 9y ago
      > The first OEM to embrace it will be able to advertise as more up to date than competition. Except I don't know how much this will matter, given that the average user doesn't know or care about any of this stuff.
      - viraptor 9y ago
        We're at the point where not much matters anyway. The phones we have are amazing. Sure, it doesn't make much difference, but it's a selling point. Other advertised features which don't matter to most users: the notch, AR, full size display, active display on edges, assistant updates, AMOLED, app privilege restrictions, curved displays, ... They're all good for advertisement and gimmicks. They may improve the phone a little bit. They're not needed and almost everybody cares only because they were advertised. (If they care at all)
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      It is not. Treble does not require OEMs to push updates. This has been clearly explained on the ADB Podcast and nowhere to be seen on the certification requirements.
squiggleblaz 9y ago
Are you able to see something I can't? I get a few pie charts showing current use in the last seven days, but I can't see any evolution (e.g. I might expect some kind of line graph with time along the x axis, proportion on the y axis and separate lines for each version; or maybe a 2D table with again time as an axis). Or perhaps you're just accustomed to monitoring this? With respect, I don't think that constitutes (neutral, inspectable) evidence, but rather witness testimony.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Anyone used to do Android development checks those charts regularly.
jsight 9y ago
But that is also pretty typical. It moves really slowly, and then a few major new devices are released and others almost simultaneously get updates. Hey look, the S9 and S9+ are launching with Oreo, the S8 is steadily getting it, and the Note 8 will be getting it realy soon!
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Not everyone is using expensive Samsung devices.
  - eitland 9y ago
    I'm waiting for the relatively more reasonably priced Nokia 7 plus (or another Nokia model with AndroidOne.)
  - jsight 9y ago
    I'm not sure how that is related to my point? I don't use expensive Samsung devices either and won't be updated to Oreo any time soon. But Samsung does have a large market share and them moving to Oreo right now will make the numbers start to shift pretty quickly. Basically, Android adoption tends to be glacially slow for quite a few months (~2% total), fast for the next few (up into the 20% range), and then the growth slows again for the next year or so with no single version ever quite hitting 50%.