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First let me argue not as a socialist but pretending I'm a liberal. Are you saying that when you make a startup and sell a product you gain nothing from public

First let me argue not as a socialist but pretending I'm a liberal. Are you saying that when you make a startup and sell a product you gain nothing from public services during this time? There is no reason for you to be taxed to provide those services? There will be no 'startups' in the sense you think of, meaning dealing with capital. Decisions of production will be done democratically in communities. If you want to think of yourself as an artisan that could be argued that you could still have your "startup". But you will not be collecting capital from investors and enslaving workers to a wage. It is a very different way of thinking and living and can be hard to grasp. But so was capitalism and capitalism was a very progressive movement in its beginning. But it runs its course as it destroys the planet and human interaction and continues to concentrate more and more wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

lzw 16y ago
I see, so you justify the use of violence, eg, taxation backed by laws and menvwith guns, based on the erroneous assumption that the victims of your violence want the so called services you claim to provide. Well at least your no longer pretending to advocate for freedom from oppression. Fwiw, every capitalist would happily pay for the services they used, they do it all the time by going to other companiesvand hiring them or buying products. The whole taxation racket is awoke, tax first then justify it because the services-- which would be provided cheaper and more efficiently by a free market, of course-- are used because were forced to use them. Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc. Reality is, this is all rationalizations. You wantbot use vioelence to comp ell others to live according to your dictates, and this is why all socialist system save turned into tyrannies.
kungfooguru 16y ago
I love Chicago's private street meters. They are so much cheaper than public ones... WAIT A MINUTE!

lzw 16y ago

I see, so you justify the use of violence, eg, taxation backed by laws and menvwith guns, based on the erroneous assumption that the victims of your violence want the so called services you claim to provide. Well at least your no longer pretending to advocate for freedom from oppression. Fwiw, every capitalist would happily pay for the services they used, they do it all the time by going to other companiesvand hiring them or buying products. The whole taxation racket is awoke, tax first then justify it because the services-- which would be provided cheaper and more efficiently by a free market, of course-- are used because were forced to use them. Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc. Reality is, this is all rationalizations. You wantbot use vioelence to comp ell others to live according to your dictates, and this is why all socialist system save turned into tyrannies.

kungfooguru 16y ago

I love Chicago's private street meters. They are so much cheaper than public ones... WAIT A MINUTE!