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I bet if I google I can find the BBC refuting this statement in the past.

by zitterbewegung 9y ago

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dhuramas 9y ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21517864 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21517864 - Looking for this?
- mfoy_ 9y ago
  There's an important distinction between being lonely and being a loner. Key point: A loner wouldn't get lonely, they'd be perfectly content to be alone.
  - projektir 9y ago
    The difference can be hard to tell, though - the loner might have internalized the message that they should feel lonely.
    - vezycash 9y ago
      It's more about one's natural base or comfort level. Person A, for whatever reason can't sit still and won't feel right unless they spend most of their time with other people. Person Z, for whatever reason is drained through interacting with others. Example: I can't read unless it's quiet or a familiar music is playing. People moving about also distracts me. On the other hand, I know a few people who'll fall asleep reading in a library but not in a noisy area. Jazz, classical and soul music causes itching sensations in these persons. Heck, the article could talk about Jazz lovers and pass the same message.
      - projektir 9y ago
        I can't really make sense of your post, to be quite honest. > It's more about one's natural base or comfort level. I mean, no, I don't really agree. Negative feelings about oneself are extremely dependent on your society, I would say more so than your personal preferences (i.e., behaving per your personal preferences when it generates negative social attention is MORE damaging than behaving per social preferences when it generates negative effects due to ignoring personal preferences). Most people can adapt. Personal baselines basically only kick in at far extremes and most people are neither. What introverts generally hit isn't that, it's that introverts may be very different from the rest of the folk (since they're the non-default) and stand out as a sore thumb, anyway. > Heck, the article could talk about Jazz lovers and pass the same message. Again, what? Jazz is not a universal trait (introversion/extroversion affects everyone). Being super into Jazz or super not into Jazz is not really going to modify your life much. How is this similar at all?
prophesi 9y ago
The article starts off talking about the loneliness epidemic & extreme social isolation, so they're well aware of the negative impacts it may have as well.
mfoy_ 9y ago
Classic media-driven science reporting: Headline today: "Study shows X causes cancer!" Headline tomorrow: "Study shows X can prevent cancer!"
vanadium 9y ago
Everything in moderation. When I worked from home for 5 years (in a company with the same distributed ethos as Basecamp 10 years back) it was easy to become extremely socially isolated if I wanted to. And it happened a couple of times over that span, but recognizing the balance of good mental health spun that back into a balanced state. (To be sure, my wife was immensely helpful about recognizing it and forcing me out the door more.) I've been working in offices again for the past, I don't know, 7-8 years now which initially gave me some whiplash as an introvert finding himself working in a position where extroversion tends to rule the day. Nowadays, however, I have a little electronics workshop in my basement where I can scurry off to and think with clarity all to myself after the day is done. It's rejuvenating and gives me a stronger sense of worth and balance in my overall mental health.
- deltaumlaut 9y ago
  >Everything in moderation. I was thinking exactly this when I saw parent's comment. Has anyone attempted to describe this theory scientifically? Is it equivalent to the "bell curve"?
  - freech 9y ago
    It follows from the law of marginal utility.
- zitterbewegung 9y ago
  I’m not disputing your anecdotal evidence. I’m disputing the legitimacy of the study due to bad scientific reporting. Sorry I didn’t explain that in my comment .
VLM 9y ago
Western civ standard has been extroversion fundamentalist for a long time, non-belief in extroversion superiority has often been characterized as a disease that must be cured. Much like Christian fundamentalism leads to weird scientific discussions, extroversion fundamentalism also results in weird claims. For example, masturbation leads to insanity and hairy palms, much like being alone leads to insanity and cancer. It should be easy to find statements along those lines. Addiction to social interaction is identical to addiction to alcohol in that if you tell addicts its possible to live without the addiction, at least if they haven't hit rock bottom yet, you'll get an extremely strong reaction out of them because it threatens the addiction. No its not possible you're wrong you're evil that's not true you're making this all up you're the wrong/sick one, etc.

I bet if I google I can find the BBC refuting this statement in the past.

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dhuramas 9y ago

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21517864 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21517864 - Looking for this?

mfoy_ 9y ago
There's an important distinction between being lonely and being a loner. Key point: A loner wouldn't get lonely, they'd be perfectly content to be alone.
- projektir 9y ago
  The difference can be hard to tell, though - the loner might have internalized the message that they should feel lonely.
  - vezycash 9y ago
    It's more about one's natural base or comfort level. Person A, for whatever reason can't sit still and won't feel right unless they spend most of their time with other people. Person Z, for whatever reason is drained through interacting with others. Example: I can't read unless it's quiet or a familiar music is playing. People moving about also distracts me. On the other hand, I know a few people who'll fall asleep reading in a library but not in a noisy area. Jazz, classical and soul music causes itching sensations in these persons. Heck, the article could talk about Jazz lovers and pass the same message.
    - projektir 9y ago
      I can't really make sense of your post, to be quite honest. > It's more about one's natural base or comfort level. I mean, no, I don't really agree. Negative feelings about oneself are extremely dependent on your society, I would say more so than your personal preferences (i.e., behaving per your personal preferences when it generates negative social attention is MORE damaging than behaving per social preferences when it generates negative effects due to ignoring personal preferences). Most people can adapt. Personal baselines basically only kick in at far extremes and most people are neither. What introverts generally hit isn't that, it's that introverts may be very different from the rest of the folk (since they're the non-default) and stand out as a sore thumb, anyway. > Heck, the article could talk about Jazz lovers and pass the same message. Again, what? Jazz is not a universal trait (introversion/extroversion affects everyone). Being super into Jazz or super not into Jazz is not really going to modify your life much. How is this similar at all?

prophesi 9y ago

The article starts off talking about the loneliness epidemic & extreme social isolation, so they're well aware of the negative impacts it may have as well.

mfoy_ 9y ago

Classic media-driven science reporting: Headline today: "Study shows X causes cancer!" Headline tomorrow: "Study shows X can prevent cancer!"

vanadium 9y ago

Everything in moderation. When I worked from home for 5 years (in a company with the same distributed ethos as Basecamp 10 years back) it was easy to become extremely socially isolated if I wanted to. And it happened a couple of times over that span, but recognizing the balance of good mental health spun that back into a balanced state. (To be sure, my wife was immensely helpful about recognizing it and forcing me out the door more.) I've been working in offices again for the past, I don't know, 7-8 years now which initially gave me some whiplash as an introvert finding himself working in a position where extroversion tends to rule the day. Nowadays, however, I have a little electronics workshop in my basement where I can scurry off to and think with clarity all to myself after the day is done. It's rejuvenating and gives me a stronger sense of worth and balance in my overall mental health.

deltaumlaut 9y ago
>Everything in moderation. I was thinking exactly this when I saw parent's comment. Has anyone attempted to describe this theory scientifically? Is it equivalent to the "bell curve"?
- freech 9y ago
  It follows from the law of marginal utility.
zitterbewegung 9y ago
I’m not disputing your anecdotal evidence. I’m disputing the legitimacy of the study due to bad scientific reporting. Sorry I didn’t explain that in my comment .

VLM 9y ago

Western civ standard has been extroversion fundamentalist for a long time, non-belief in extroversion superiority has often been characterized as a disease that must be cured. Much like Christian fundamentalism leads to weird scientific discussions, extroversion fundamentalism also results in weird claims. For example, masturbation leads to insanity and hairy palms, much like being alone leads to insanity and cancer. It should be easy to find statements along those lines. Addiction to social interaction is identical to addiction to alcohol in that if you tell addicts its possible to live without the addiction, at least if they haven't hit rock bottom yet, you'll get an extremely strong reaction out of them because it threatens the addiction. No its not possible you're wrong you're evil that's not true you're making this all up you're the wrong/sick one, etc.