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Hardware compatibility is a good start. Your tone aside, you have a point. But that's only the first of many problems with Linux.

by psyc 9y ago

michaelmrose 9y ago
While there are problems with linux I'm not sure you have correctly identified them. "And the pervasive pattern, inherited from open source itself, that things have recursive dependencies, each involving their own incredible journey of configuration and workarounds." You get software from repos. Your system figures out the dependencies for you I literally have no idea where you could possibly be coming from. "Hardware compatibility" Buy compatible hardware. "arduous installations" Don't know what you are talking about. Given well supported hardware installation is incredibly easy and has been for over a decade. " feel that, much like Blender, Linux requires a certain mindset. I suspect that mindset resembles either masochism or Stockholm Syndrome. I still have no complaints about MacOS." You accept that MacOS doesn't run on just any hardware, buy hardware from a vendor who sell you MacOS preinstalled on supported hardware and experience no issues. Can I propose that you would have similar lack of issues with a vendor who sells prepackaged linux solutions? Linux is bad in some ways but you are mostly kinda bad at linux. People installing hackintoshes seem to exist in a world that is fraught with pitfalls and workarounds but nobody expects MacOS to work out of the box on whatever. Linux by virtue of actually working on 99% of machines catches flack for only working optimally on 80%. To boot you wonder why apple who has received thousands of dollars from you works better than a product which you provide zero support for. Its super likely that if you and others who wanted open source solutions to work for them had spent 15 years giving open source software 10% of the support provided to closed source solutions you might have something closer to what you want.
- zaarn 9y ago
  >Buy compatible hardware. A lot of people have hardware and aren't looking to buy something shiny and new just to use Linux. It's an immediate no-go for me to recommend anyone Linux when their machine is not support out of the box (sans nvidia blob, some people insist on it)
  - StudentStuff 9y ago
    Buying shiny new hardware isn't needed, any old Thinkpad is bound to have good Linux support, plus it'll be upgradeable and durable! Use the right tool for the job, avoid assuming you need the most expensive tool possible!
    - zaarn 9y ago
      There is plenty of old hardware that won't properly work for modern linux distros, either by missing firmware packages or software not running on the CPU anymore (such as on an old Thinkpad of mine from 1998, modern distro's don't properly run, a lot of stuff fails with invalid opcodes or segfaults. An ancient copy of knoppix runs (with kernel 2.3)) Even then, most people don't buy with "it must run linux" in mind, they grab whatever has good sounding numbers on it.
      - StudentStuff 9y ago
        Heh, wasn't thinking of going that old, more like a Thinkpad T430 (can be had for $150) or newer depending on budget. Any of that line will run your distro of choice without issue.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    The manufacturer of the machine or components thereof who has all the specs and time put in the work that enables windows to support the hardware. Free software development time is finite and information on some hardware is notably absent. If you desire better support pool money to pay for improvements to particular hardware. Anything else is hoping people are willing to expend their resources for free so that you don't have to. In the meantime I'm guessing most people intend to eventually buy a new machine. Upgrade time is a great time to think about trying Linux. Instead of Linux it will run on whatever terrible machine you got on sale at Walmart with a Vista certified sticker. Think instead... Make your next computer a Linux machine.
    - zaarn 9y ago
- psyc 9y ago
  I’m as baffled by your perspective on configuration as you are by mine. I’d spend half my time working to improve userspace if I could financially afford to. “You’re bad at Linux” is the worst way I can think of to win anyone over.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Nobody is paying me to sell you Linux. I'm honestly more interested in countering what I see as low quality information borne of lack of experience and knowledge.

Hardware compatibility is a good start. Your tone aside, you have a point. But that's only the first of many problems with Linux.

by psyc 9y ago

Hardware compatibility is a good start. Your tone aside, you have a point. But that's only the first of many problems with Linux.

michaelmrose 9y ago

While there are problems with linux I'm not sure you have correctly identified them. "And the pervasive pattern, inherited from open source itself, that things have recursive dependencies, each involving their own incredible journey of configuration and workarounds." You get software from repos. Your system figures out the dependencies for you I literally have no idea where you could possibly be coming from. "Hardware compatibility" Buy compatible hardware. "arduous installations" Don't know what you are talking about. Given well supported hardware installation is incredibly easy and has been for over a decade. " feel that, much like Blender, Linux requires a certain mindset. I suspect that mindset resembles either masochism or Stockholm Syndrome. I still have no complaints about MacOS." You accept that MacOS doesn't run on just any hardware, buy hardware from a vendor who sell you MacOS preinstalled on supported hardware and experience no issues. Can I propose that you would have similar lack of issues with a vendor who sells prepackaged linux solutions? Linux is bad in some ways but you are mostly kinda bad at linux. People installing hackintoshes seem to exist in a world that is fraught with pitfalls and workarounds but nobody expects MacOS to work out of the box on whatever. Linux by virtue of actually working on 99% of machines catches flack for only working optimally on 80%. To boot you wonder why apple who has received thousands of dollars from you works better than a product which you provide zero support for. Its super likely that if you and others who wanted open source solutions to work for them had spent 15 years giving open source software 10% of the support provided to closed source solutions you might have something closer to what you want.

zaarn 9y ago
>Buy compatible hardware. A lot of people have hardware and aren't looking to buy something shiny and new just to use Linux. It's an immediate no-go for me to recommend anyone Linux when their machine is not support out of the box (sans nvidia blob, some people insist on it)
- StudentStuff 9y ago
  Buying shiny new hardware isn't needed, any old Thinkpad is bound to have good Linux support, plus it'll be upgradeable and durable! Use the right tool for the job, avoid assuming you need the most expensive tool possible!
  - zaarn 9y ago
    There is plenty of old hardware that won't properly work for modern linux distros, either by missing firmware packages or software not running on the CPU anymore (such as on an old Thinkpad of mine from 1998, modern distro's don't properly run, a lot of stuff fails with invalid opcodes or segfaults. An ancient copy of knoppix runs (with kernel 2.3)) Even then, most people don't buy with "it must run linux" in mind, they grab whatever has good sounding numbers on it.
    - StudentStuff 9y ago
      Heh, wasn't thinking of going that old, more like a Thinkpad T430 (can be had for $150) or newer depending on budget. Any of that line will run your distro of choice without issue.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  The manufacturer of the machine or components thereof who has all the specs and time put in the work that enables windows to support the hardware. Free software development time is finite and information on some hardware is notably absent. If you desire better support pool money to pay for improvements to particular hardware. Anything else is hoping people are willing to expend their resources for free so that you don't have to. In the meantime I'm guessing most people intend to eventually buy a new machine. Upgrade time is a great time to think about trying Linux. Instead of Linux it will run on whatever terrible machine you got on sale at Walmart with a Vista certified sticker. Think instead... Make your next computer a Linux machine.
  - zaarn 9y ago
psyc 9y ago
I’m as baffled by your perspective on configuration as you are by mine. I’d spend half my time working to improve userspace if I could financially afford to. “You’re bad at Linux” is the worst way I can think of to win anyone over.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  Nobody is paying me to sell you Linux. I'm honestly more interested in countering what I see as low quality information borne of lack of experience and knowledge.