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How is this legal for the oil shop to do?

by miketery 9y ago

rdmsr 9y ago
It’s probably implied by something deep in the TOS.
- TangoTrotFox 9y ago
  It doesn't need to be in the ToS. In the US your information has no legal protection, with a handful of exceptions like medical information. You should assume any information you give to any company is being shared, sold, and utilized to the fullest extent to monetize you. Even if you believe Zuckerberg has changed, it does put a quite apropo spin on those IMs from when he first started Facebook [1]: Zuckerberg: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuckerberg: Just ask. Zuckerberg: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuckerberg: People just submitted it. Zuckerberg: I don't know why. Zuckerberg: They "trust me" Zuckerberg: Dumb fucks. And now people give away vastly more than the data he had back then. [1] - http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...
- TangoTrotFox 9y ago
  It doesn't need to be in the ToS. In the US your information has no legal protection, with a handful of exceptions like medical information. You should assume any information you give to any company is being shared, sold, and utilized to the fullest extent to monetize you. Something many do not consider especially in today's era of social media and AI capable of scraping any tidbit of information you reveal about yourself. As an example, this [1] is an extremely primitive tool that generates a profile of Reddit users based on nothing but what they've publicly submitted. The profiles the companies people 'trust' with their information today are going to be orders of magnitude more detailed, and accurate. [1] - https://snoopsnoo.com/ https://snoopsnoo.com/
akira2501 9y ago
I'm not sure your odometer readings qualify as protected information. More importantly, on many cars, it's in public view. So, what's the difference from the oil shop selling this data or from the insurance agent driving to your house and just looking through your side window?
- lgas 9y ago
  Well, for one thing you have the ability to protect your car at home, and, for instance, keep it secured in a garage where no one else can access it without your permission.
- r00fus 9y ago
  Odo readings on digital displays (ie, every in-dash display for at least a decade) require you to power-on the vehicle. Since this isn't possible for anyone not in the car when it's locked, it's not really "in public view".
  - letsgetphysITal 9y ago
    Absolutely correct. In this instance, you have given consent for the staff of the service centre to power on your vehicle and even drive it around to get it inn to the service area. They will also take several measurements of your vehicle such as tyre tread depth, brake pad wear, fluid levels, date of registration, and the mileage to ensure that the correct serviceable parts are replaced for the age and service life of the vehicle. You explicitly consent to them collecting and storing this information as part of the works carried out on your vehicle, in keeping with their policies for how they use this data. This policy states that they may (will) sell this data to insurers. These are the terms of business, and if you don't agree to them you are welcome to take your vehicle elsewhere. The others will also have the same policy, so you'd better be able to source your own diagnostic equipment, or be willing to drive cars made at the latest in the 90's.
    - gruez 9y ago
      >You explicitly consent to them... it's a stretch to call signing a multi page document that you don't have time to read "explicit consent".
astura 9y ago
How would it be illegal? If someone came into my business and I noticed something about them, unless it's something specifically protected by law like health information, I'm more or less free to tell others about what I saw. Or even show the public the CCTV footage of what I saw, for example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/espn-reporter-britt-mchenry-suspended-after-cctv-captures-her-verbally-abusing-towing-company-10183987.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/espn-report... This sort of thing might be regulated under the FCRA, but other than that, companies are pretty free to talk about you to others. Just like how you're free to talk about them to others.
dboreham 9y ago
Because someone is making money.

How is this legal for the oil shop to do?

rdmsr 9y ago

It’s probably implied by something deep in the TOS.

TangoTrotFox 9y ago
It doesn't need to be in the ToS. In the US your information has no legal protection, with a handful of exceptions like medical information. You should assume any information you give to any company is being shared, sold, and utilized to the fullest extent to monetize you. Even if you believe Zuckerberg has changed, it does put a quite apropo spin on those IMs from when he first started Facebook [1]: Zuckerberg: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuckerberg: Just ask. Zuckerberg: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuckerberg: People just submitted it. Zuckerberg: I don't know why. Zuckerberg: They "trust me" Zuckerberg: Dumb fucks. And now people give away vastly more than the data he had back then. [1] - http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...
TangoTrotFox 9y ago
It doesn't need to be in the ToS. In the US your information has no legal protection, with a handful of exceptions like medical information. You should assume any information you give to any company is being shared, sold, and utilized to the fullest extent to monetize you. Something many do not consider especially in today's era of social media and AI capable of scraping any tidbit of information you reveal about yourself. As an example, this [1] is an extremely primitive tool that generates a profile of Reddit users based on nothing but what they've publicly submitted. The profiles the companies people 'trust' with their information today are going to be orders of magnitude more detailed, and accurate. [1] - https://snoopsnoo.com/ https://snoopsnoo.com/

akira2501 9y ago

I'm not sure your odometer readings qualify as protected information. More importantly, on many cars, it's in public view. So, what's the difference from the oil shop selling this data or from the insurance agent driving to your house and just looking through your side window?

lgas 9y ago
Well, for one thing you have the ability to protect your car at home, and, for instance, keep it secured in a garage where no one else can access it without your permission.
r00fus 9y ago
Odo readings on digital displays (ie, every in-dash display for at least a decade) require you to power-on the vehicle. Since this isn't possible for anyone not in the car when it's locked, it's not really "in public view".
- letsgetphysITal 9y ago
  Absolutely correct. In this instance, you have given consent for the staff of the service centre to power on your vehicle and even drive it around to get it inn to the service area. They will also take several measurements of your vehicle such as tyre tread depth, brake pad wear, fluid levels, date of registration, and the mileage to ensure that the correct serviceable parts are replaced for the age and service life of the vehicle. You explicitly consent to them collecting and storing this information as part of the works carried out on your vehicle, in keeping with their policies for how they use this data. This policy states that they may (will) sell this data to insurers. These are the terms of business, and if you don't agree to them you are welcome to take your vehicle elsewhere. The others will also have the same policy, so you'd better be able to source your own diagnostic equipment, or be willing to drive cars made at the latest in the 90's.
  - gruez 9y ago
    >You explicitly consent to them... it's a stretch to call signing a multi page document that you don't have time to read "explicit consent".

astura 9y ago

How would it be illegal? If someone came into my business and I noticed something about them, unless it's something specifically protected by law like health information, I'm more or less free to tell others about what I saw. Or even show the public the CCTV footage of what I saw, for example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/espn-reporter-britt-mchenry-suspended-after-cctv-captures-her-verbally-abusing-towing-company-10183987.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/espn-report... This sort of thing might be regulated under the FCRA, but other than that, companies are pretty free to talk about you to others. Just like how you're free to talk about them to others.

dboreham 9y ago

Because someone is making money.