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Not sure what you consider the difference between a "company" and a "corporation", but I know a lot of people who work for small government contractors that def

Not sure what you consider the difference between a "company" and a "corporation", but I know a lot of people who work for small government contractors that definitely have "souls". Not everybody has the same ethical standpoint on military technology.

pdeuchler 9y ago
I know many people who work for large multi-national defense contractors that definitely have "souls" as well, but hiding behind moral relativism won't save you from the fact that in the real world moral bright lines exist within societal contexts. And that said, I'm fairly confident how history will see our current drone program.
- kridsdale1 9y ago
  How does history see the Enigma crackers? Thousands of nonconsenting Germans were no doubt killed by the “good guys” as a result of the work done by our computer science heroes.
- EggsOnToast 9y ago
  I'm not sure why you're so dismissive of moral relativism in this context when it's incredibly relevant. Someone who believes that developing and exploring this technology will enable us to save the lives of soldiers and better prepare to encounter the technology in the wild is going to have very different opinions than someone who views it as yet another tool to oppress the third world with. Both people hold ethical beliefs that consider and value humanitarian consequences. Edit: I was slowed down for posting too fast so I'm adding my reply to IntronExon here: It's an interesting hypothetical but I'd argue its appeal is mostly in its simplicity with little evidence to support the claim. The instances you've cited happened either due to a failure of accurate intelligence or because intelligence indicated the structure was being used by enemy combatants. It's very possible to arrive at the conclusion that any unnecessary casualties which occurred happened as a result of poor military intelligence which better reconnaissance drones could help with. It's equally possible that someone working on this kind of technology could see its field use against groups like ISIS as evidence that weaponized drones are a useful tool in fighting terrorist organizations. Obviously neither of these will be true in every instance, but without strong evidence it's hard to believe that the matter is as simple as "some people are just unemphatic".
  - IntronExon 9y ago
    Maybe the real difference is that some of us lack the empathy and imagination to consider the plight of some poor bastardized having their wedding, school, or hospital drone-striked, and some of us do. For those who can’t, this is never an emotional issue, just a sterile cost/benefit analysis. Formthe rest of us, worlds die in those blasts, and were partially responsible, and that matters.

pdeuchler 9y ago

I know many people who work for large multi-national defense contractors that definitely have "souls" as well, but hiding behind moral relativism won't save you from the fact that in the real world moral bright lines exist within societal contexts. And that said, I'm fairly confident how history will see our current drone program.

kridsdale1 9y ago
How does history see the Enigma crackers? Thousands of nonconsenting Germans were no doubt killed by the “good guys” as a result of the work done by our computer science heroes.
EggsOnToast 9y ago
I'm not sure why you're so dismissive of moral relativism in this context when it's incredibly relevant. Someone who believes that developing and exploring this technology will enable us to save the lives of soldiers and better prepare to encounter the technology in the wild is going to have very different opinions than someone who views it as yet another tool to oppress the third world with. Both people hold ethical beliefs that consider and value humanitarian consequences. Edit: I was slowed down for posting too fast so I'm adding my reply to IntronExon here: It's an interesting hypothetical but I'd argue its appeal is mostly in its simplicity with little evidence to support the claim. The instances you've cited happened either due to a failure of accurate intelligence or because intelligence indicated the structure was being used by enemy combatants. It's very possible to arrive at the conclusion that any unnecessary casualties which occurred happened as a result of poor military intelligence which better reconnaissance drones could help with. It's equally possible that someone working on this kind of technology could see its field use against groups like ISIS as evidence that weaponized drones are a useful tool in fighting terrorist organizations. Obviously neither of these will be true in every instance, but without strong evidence it's hard to believe that the matter is as simple as "some people are just unemphatic".
- IntronExon 9y ago
  Maybe the real difference is that some of us lack the empathy and imagination to consider the plight of some poor bastardized having their wedding, school, or hospital drone-striked, and some of us do. For those who can’t, this is never an emotional issue, just a sterile cost/benefit analysis. Formthe rest of us, worlds die in those blasts, and were partially responsible, and that matters.