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I am .NET developer, I thought I will be Java dev or whatever else web backend brings. But years are showing .NET is getting well. Msft has skin in the game wit

by ozim 9y ago

I am .NET developer, I thought I will be Java dev or whatever else web backend brings. But years are showing .NET is getting well. Msft has skin in the game with .NET ecosystem and it is "developers, developers, developers". Other ecosystems don't have huge company living off it. Oracle for Java also does not have skin in the game, they will just take over next big thing and milk it away.

pjmlp 9y ago
Oracle was one of the first companies to adopt Java. They used to do presentations together with Sun, had the crazy Network Computer idea together with those Java Stations at Sun, ported their installers to Java, were the first RDBMS to allow stored procedures to be written in Java, had their own JVM, IDE and JEE server long before Sun started to get into troubles. Have kept Java team together, saved Sun labs, turned the Maxime research work into Graal, are making the effort of supporting AOT compilation (tabu at Sun),.... I am a polyglot developer, and while Oracle could be doing a better job, they surely are doing much better than Sun was doing on its later days. Who knows, if Google hadn't ripped off Sun and they were getting some Android revenue, maybe Sun would still be around.
- geodel 9y ago
  > Who knows, if Google hadn't ripped off Sun and they were getting some Android revenue, maybe Sun would still be around. Or maybe if Sun showed some promise with J2ME and tried to challenge iOS it would have been main iOS competitor instead of Android. But J2ME did not deliver much and the idea to grab some bullshit patents revenue, which Oracle tried, failed. In copyright case Oracle may still get some money but after belatedly joining CNCF Oracle would not like to be on warpath with Google.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    J2ME was doing perfectly fine in Nokia and Sony-Ericson devices, and we already had SavaJe OS when Android happened. Android fragmentation, OEM customizations, lack of enforced updates and cheapo unresponsive 100 € devices are no better than the devices that gave bad name to J2ME.

by ozim 9y ago

pjmlp 9y ago

Oracle was one of the first companies to adopt Java. They used to do presentations together with Sun, had the crazy Network Computer idea together with those Java Stations at Sun, ported their installers to Java, were the first RDBMS to allow stored procedures to be written in Java, had their own JVM, IDE and JEE server long before Sun started to get into troubles. Have kept Java team together, saved Sun labs, turned the Maxime research work into Graal, are making the effort of supporting AOT compilation (tabu at Sun),.... I am a polyglot developer, and while Oracle could be doing a better job, they surely are doing much better than Sun was doing on its later days. Who knows, if Google hadn't ripped off Sun and they were getting some Android revenue, maybe Sun would still be around.

geodel 9y ago
> Who knows, if Google hadn't ripped off Sun and they were getting some Android revenue, maybe Sun would still be around. Or maybe if Sun showed some promise with J2ME and tried to challenge iOS it would have been main iOS competitor instead of Android. But J2ME did not deliver much and the idea to grab some bullshit patents revenue, which Oracle tried, failed. In copyright case Oracle may still get some money but after belatedly joining CNCF Oracle would not like to be on warpath with Google.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  J2ME was doing perfectly fine in Nokia and Sony-Ericson devices, and we already had SavaJe OS when Android happened. Android fragmentation, OEM customizations, lack of enforced updates and cheapo unresponsive 100 € devices are no better than the devices that gave bad name to J2ME.