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Here in Australia, Superannuation (essentially 401k) is compulsory and the process to get the money out before you retire is quite arduous. It is contributed by

Here in Australia, Superannuation (essentially 401k) is compulsory and the process to get the money out before you retire is quite arduous. It is contributed by your employer and often isn't included in the advertised income. The compulsory contribution is about 9% of your income (exact value eludes me).

dragontamer 9y ago
Sounds like "Social Security" in the USA. Social Security is only a little bit of money however. It taxes 12.4%, half of which is employer contribution, and the other half is an individual tax. Most people only see 6.2% individually. (Self-employed get taxed at the full 12.4%) No one actually expects to live on Social Security alone in the USA. Supplemental savings (such as Pension Plans or 401k plans) are needed for a real retirement.
- jcwayne 9y ago
  > No one actually expects to live on Social Security alone... None should, but plenty do.
  - dbjacobs 9y ago
    To be more precise. Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 23% of married couples and about 43% of unmarried persons rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income [1]. [1] - https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf
    - srtjstjsj 9y ago
      That doesn't account for spending past income, as in a savings account, cost-basis of investments, or home ownership.
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Except the part where the money you’re giving to the SS is no longer yours.
- photojosh 9y ago
  No. We have the 'Age Pension' [0], which is the equivalent of your Social Security. It kicks in once you're 65 and not working (much), and pays up to $23k a year (which IMHO is enough to live on as long as you own your own home). The funds for it come out of general income tax. "Superannuation" was the 401k-alike system started in 1992 which has the 9.5% minimum. You can choose your investment allocation, and there's a bunch of tax incentives if you choose to contribute extra. [0]: https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centre... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

dragontamer 9y ago

Sounds like "Social Security" in the USA. Social Security is only a little bit of money however. It taxes 12.4%, half of which is employer contribution, and the other half is an individual tax. Most people only see 6.2% individually. (Self-employed get taxed at the full 12.4%) No one actually expects to live on Social Security alone in the USA. Supplemental savings (such as Pension Plans or 401k plans) are needed for a real retirement.

jcwayne 9y ago
> No one actually expects to live on Social Security alone... None should, but plenty do.
- dbjacobs 9y ago
  To be more precise. Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 23% of married couples and about 43% of unmarried persons rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income [1]. [1] - https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf
  - srtjstjsj 9y ago
    That doesn't account for spending past income, as in a savings account, cost-basis of investments, or home ownership.
kgwgk 9y ago
Except the part where the money you’re giving to the SS is no longer yours.
photojosh 9y ago
No. We have the 'Age Pension' [0], which is the equivalent of your Social Security. It kicks in once you're 65 and not working (much), and pays up to $23k a year (which IMHO is enough to live on as long as you own your own home). The funds for it come out of general income tax. "Superannuation" was the 401k-alike system started in 1992 which has the 9.5% minimum. You can choose your investment allocation, and there's a bunch of tax incentives if you choose to contribute extra. [0]: https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centre... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia