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A movie’s quality will always be criticized in he context of the culture it’s viewed in. Objective quality is not the most relevant metric in art.
by RobLach 9y ago
A movie’s quality will always be criticized in he context of the culture it’s viewed in. Objective quality is not the most relevant metric in art.
- delete2 9y agoRT is certainly losing my favor, it's Disney garbage everywhere, the top movies consist of whatever came out in the last 2 years, the algorithm just isn't good.
- MiddleEndian 9y agoTheir algorithm is mostly unchanged as far as I can tell. They take a bunch of critics and aggregate their reviews as positive or negative. Therefore most of their highly recommended movies are, and always have been, predominantly broad-appeal films that are mostly inoffensive.
- srtjstjsj 9y agoRT's increasing popularity has created pressure to make more mass-appeal mediocre movies, as movies are rewarded for being "watchable" and get no bonus points for being "excellent" (and excellence which might turn off segments of the audience if any controversial choices are made en route).
- MiddleEndian 9y agoI'm not entirely convinced this is a result of RT. Studios have been looking for ways to produce broad appeal blockbusters forever.
- fein 9y ago> Objective quality is not the most relevant metric in art. And this is a disturbing trend.
- PhasmaFelis 9y agoThe disturbing trend is people thinking objective criticism is possible, let alone desirable. Objective measurements of art literally do not exist.
- mulmen 9y agoWhen was objective quality ever the most relevant metric in art? Why do you believe this is a trend?
- dasm 9y agoArt, by definition should not be objectively evaluated. Art is inherently subjective - objectively great art would not be art, as it loses personal meaning.
- B1FF_PSUVM 9y agoComrade Zhdanov would not put it better.
- dasm 9y agoPerhaps you meant to compare the commentor above me to Zhdanov? His views seem diametrically opposed to what I said.
- B1FF_PSUVM 9y agoRight, the mania for 'politically correct' inspection of music, art, etc. went viral with Zhdanov, and even those who found the Soviets too authoritarian took it up with glee.
- forkandwait 9y agoWho says?
- meri_dian 9y agoNot all metrics are equivalent though. When art is judged more for some political statement it is trying to make than its intrinsic beauty or quality we can disregard that metric as illegitimate if our goal is to appraise the value of art in itself.
- eric_h 9y agoThe political statement a piece of art is trying to make is a part of its intrinsic beauty or quality. Art does not exist in a vacuum, it always exists in a human context. Politics are inescapable, in art and in all other forms of human endeavor.
- markmark 9y ago"Orwell's latest book is a rollicking farmyard tale of pigs versus humans held back by the author's political virtue signaling"
- meri_dian 9y agoNo, Orwell's book is a classic that happens to be about politics. It's not about Orwell's political message, it's about the way it was delivered, which indicates there are foundational artistic metrics we use to judge art.
- gamblor956 9y agoAll of Orwell's writing was about politics. Part of the point of it being farm animals was to convey that as a society we are little better than animals.
- meri_dian 9y agoWhat you say is true. But when you say "a part", how much of a part is it? Consider this: in any period of human history there will be political tension of one kind or another. Art will be created in response to that tension. Some we remember, and some we don't. The art we remember is remembered precisely because it adheres to generic standards of beauty in art, these being eloquence, daring novelty, or something else. It's not about the message, but how the message is expressed that makes us cherish and remember art, whether it is explicitly political or not. Yes politics are inescapable, and they color much of what we do, but what defines timeless artistic beauty is separate from the political motivations of the art itself. Otherwise we would not be able to appreciate ancient art whose political climate has long passed.