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I don't think we're obligated to take Hyperloop seriously until there is a large-scale demonstration system up and running. On the other hand, I don't think we

by curtis 9y ago

I don't think we're obligated to take Hyperloop seriously until there is a large-scale demonstration system up and running. On the other hand, I don't think we can fully discount it as long as so many people (with funding!) are actively working on it.

barnabes 9y ago
Right. In addition to that, I was simply going to write "make it not fail". In the plane example, what the author doesn't mention is that there are many mechanical failures, or human errors on a plane that lead to, well, death of 100% of its passengers. Yet we still fly. So in this respect I see the Hyperloop as being very similar to air travel: make it not fail.
- lisper 9y ago
  > there are many mechanical failures, or human errors on a plane that lead to, well, death of 100% of its passengers That's true, but there are very few failures that lead the entire system to grind to a halt.
  - tdb7893 9y ago
    Weather creates a whole mess with tons of missed connections and cancelled flights that can take up a a couple days to sort out. This means that air travel in entire states grinds to a halt a couple of times each year.
    - lisper 9y ago
      Fair enough, but in the meantime passengers are not trapped aboard airplanes (which are considerably more comfortable than hyperloop pods). On a few rare occasions passengers have been trapped on airplanes for several hours. This was considered unacceptable and led to major changes in policy.
      - eridius 9y ago
        Passengers still get trapped for hours on airplanes sitting on tarmacs. I feel like there's a couple of stories about that per year, and that's just what gets reported in the media.
        lisper 9y ago
        No, they don't, not any more. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tarmac-delays-airline-passenger-rights-33011.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tarmac-delays-airlin... Even back in the day when it did happen, it was because of policy, not physical constraints.
        ricardobeat 9y ago
        Three, or two, hours still counts as 'trapped for hours'. Airplanes are not comfortable at all, and no hyperloop pods actually exist - that statement makes no sense.
        lisper 9y ago
        Except that airplanes are designed to be occupied for hours. In particular, airplanes have bathrooms.
        eridius 9y ago
        AIUI airplanes just sitting on the tarmac don't have AC (because they're not running their engines).
        lisper 9y ago
        AIUI? (But this is another good point: a failed hyperloop also won't have A/C. That will be a potentially life-threatening problem in Dubai, where the first hyperloop is likely to be built. Summer temperatures there regularly reach 45C.)
  - hndamien 9y ago
    Death is a pretty grinding halt for me.

by curtis 9y ago

barnabes 9y ago

Right. In addition to that, I was simply going to write "make it not fail". In the plane example, what the author doesn't mention is that there are many mechanical failures, or human errors on a plane that lead to, well, death of 100% of its passengers. Yet we still fly. So in this respect I see the Hyperloop as being very similar to air travel: make it not fail.

lisper 9y ago
> there are many mechanical failures, or human errors on a plane that lead to, well, death of 100% of its passengers That's true, but there are very few failures that lead the entire system to grind to a halt.
- tdb7893 9y ago
  Weather creates a whole mess with tons of missed connections and cancelled flights that can take up a a couple days to sort out. This means that air travel in entire states grinds to a halt a couple of times each year.
  - lisper 9y ago
    Fair enough, but in the meantime passengers are not trapped aboard airplanes (which are considerably more comfortable than hyperloop pods). On a few rare occasions passengers have been trapped on airplanes for several hours. This was considered unacceptable and led to major changes in policy.
    - eridius 9y ago
      Passengers still get trapped for hours on airplanes sitting on tarmacs. I feel like there's a couple of stories about that per year, and that's just what gets reported in the media.
      - lisper 9y ago
        No, they don't, not any more. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tarmac-delays-airline-passenger-rights-33011.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tarmac-delays-airlin... Even back in the day when it did happen, it was because of policy, not physical constraints.
        ricardobeat 9y ago
        Three, or two, hours still counts as 'trapped for hours'. Airplanes are not comfortable at all, and no hyperloop pods actually exist - that statement makes no sense.
        lisper 9y ago
        Except that airplanes are designed to be occupied for hours. In particular, airplanes have bathrooms.
        eridius 9y ago
        AIUI airplanes just sitting on the tarmac don't have AC (because they're not running their engines).
        lisper 9y ago
        AIUI? (But this is another good point: a failed hyperloop also won't have A/C. That will be a potentially life-threatening problem in Dubai, where the first hyperloop is likely to be built. Summer temperatures there regularly reach 45C.)
- hndamien 9y ago
  Death is a pretty grinding halt for me.