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They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. Basically, authoritar

They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. Basically, authoritarianism rears its ugly head in the US once again, across corporate, national, state, and local levels. The same general kind of gaming of the system which resulted in interstates dividing white from non-white neighborhoods is now maintaining the media status quo. On one side, it's the corporatism and Crony Capitalism the left traditionally complains about, now wielded by the Far Left as a non-governmental form of censorship. On the other side, it's legal and regulatory blocking of progress to maintain the status quo for old media and to use as leverage against the tech giants. This is potentially deadly for US society. Until we once again have a healthy 5th estate which can reach the whole of society, the Fox-Newsification and the Gawker-ization of our news media is basically destroying what little actual discourse we have left.

specialist 9y ago
"...now wielded by the Far Left..." What is my tribe accused of this time? My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  What is my tribe accused of this time? Kicking out groups that don't hew to the party-line on YouTube. Not only the genuinely far-right, but also moderates, mainstream Republicans, and various sub-cultural enthusiasts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo. As I referenced above, old-media interests and local interests oppose the expansion of broadband (as well as broadly defined Net Neutrality) in order to preserve an old-media status quo. Google Fiber, had it been successful, would have been a competitive force against this, destroying the barriers which keep Cable and old-media from being completely washed away. If "your peeps" had succeeded, I suspect "Adpocalypse" wouldn't have happened. YouTube and the like would have done something about ISIS videos, stopped around there, then told the mainstream corporate ad-money to just deal with the rest or go screw. As it is, the status-quo corporate money is being used as leverage against new media through YouTube.
  - pas 9y ago
    Could you tl;dr the video please? > as well as broadly defined Net Neutrality I don't really see how enforcing the decoupling of ISPs from other sectors hurts competition in the ISP space, but I'm interested in what am I missing, so if you could write out the argument in detail, that'd be great, thanks! > As it is, the status-quo corporate money is being used as leverage against new media through YouTube. Could you help with understanding this, maybe by providing some examples?
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Could you tl;dr the video please? Authoritarians are now (disingenuously) using Libertarian arguments to justify corporatist non-state censorship. I don't really see how enforcing the decoupling of ISPs from other sectors hurts competition in the ISP space Does such a decoupling (in truth and in actual effect) necessarily follow from the former Net Neutrality regime under Obama, or from the elimination of that under Trump? I don't think such a decoupling in truth and in actual effect really follows from either. Could you help with understanding this, maybe by providing some examples? Watch the video. Part and parcel of the thing which "Adpocalypse" is a part of, is a push from the Far-Left to re-label just about every political view to the right of Bernie Sanders to mainstream Republicans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0IYzF-zLMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0IYzF-zLMw Also, Tim Pool, who became famous for covering Occupy, covers this general process in depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Wlt1TsS-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Wlt1TsS-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXvBuYc1cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXvBuYc1cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGEwZVplBt8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGEwZVplBt8
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Sky Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp6wRooxKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp6wRooxKU
  - specialist 9y ago
    Sorry, I’m losing the narrative: Was the Far Left for or against Google Fiber? More residential broadband (last mile) competition would have saved online advertising?
knieveltech 9y ago
It's always amusing to observe the kind of rhetorical gymnastics folks will try to employ to blame "the left" for the excesses of unregulated capitalism that the right tirelessly champions.
- buxtehude 9y ago
  If you follow the numbers of who is regularly accepting money from Comcast - both Democrats and Republicans are happy to take their money. "Politico reports that 15 of the 18 members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which will hold a hearing on the Comcast deal on March 26th, have taken some form of contribution from Comcast." [1] https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/10/5491908/comcast-buys-congress https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/10/5491908/comcast-buys-cong... "...Comcast has canvassed the two congressional panels that chiefly regulate cable, broadband and other telecom issues, donating to practically every lawmaker there — including Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) and Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)." [2] https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/comcast-cash-spread-wide-on-capitol-hill-104469 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/comcast-cash-spread-w... While Republicans have passed some egregious regulations of late, if you believe that money buys influence and favors - it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that representatives from both parties are responsible for the incredible lack of competition in broadband.
  - knieveltech 9y ago
    Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum.
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum. This is a prime example of the re-labeling of everything to the right of Bernie Sanders.
      - knieveltech 9y ago
        It certainly is nothing of the kind. You dragged that Sanders-shaped strawman in with you. Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum here's some light reading. You'll note that the overwhelming majority of the entire range of opinions detailed here bear little to no resemblance to the standard Democratic party platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
AFNobody 9y ago
> Basically, authoritarianism rears its ugly head in the US once again, across corporate, national, state, and local levels. The same general kind of gaming of the system which resulted in interstates dividing white from non-white neighborhoods is now maintaining the media status quo. On one side, it's the corporatism and Crony Capitalism the left traditionally complains about, now wielded by the Far Left as a non-governmental form of censorship. On the other side, it's legal and regulatory blocking of progress to maintain the status quo for old media and to use as leverage against the tech giants. Except this is a GOP agenda or predominantly Red/GOP local governments in the South and Midwest would be resisting it. They are the ones perpetuating it and at the State level they are preempting local ISPs in a variety of ways. You are just accusing anything involving regulations as "Leftist" without acknowledging it is the standard banners of your own party that enable it.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Except this is a GOP agenda...You are just accusing anything involving regulations as "Leftist" without acknowledging it is the standard banners of your own party that enable it. I am not a Republican. I've always voted Democrat. When your expectations are 180-deg out of whack, it's time to re-visit your world view and assumptions.
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Are Democrats and Republicans really 180° apart? From where I sit they seem to waver between 9° and 10° apart... sometimes as much as 12° apart? Much less, of course, when there is a ruinous foreign war to pitch.
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Where I'm sitting, authoritarians all look alike to me.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        Then why have you always voted for one particular flavor of authoritarian?

specialist 9y ago

"...now wielded by the Far Left..." What is my tribe accused of this time? My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo.

stcredzero 9y ago
What is my tribe accused of this time? Kicking out groups that don't hew to the party-line on YouTube. Not only the genuinely far-right, but also moderates, mainstream Republicans, and various sub-cultural enthusiasts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo. As I referenced above, old-media interests and local interests oppose the expansion of broadband (as well as broadly defined Net Neutrality) in order to preserve an old-media status quo. Google Fiber, had it been successful, would have been a competitive force against this, destroying the barriers which keep Cable and old-media from being completely washed away. If "your peeps" had succeeded, I suspect "Adpocalypse" wouldn't have happened. YouTube and the like would have done something about ISIS videos, stopped around there, then told the mainstream corporate ad-money to just deal with the rest or go screw. As it is, the status-quo corporate money is being used as leverage against new media through YouTube.
- pas 9y ago
  Could you tl;dr the video please? > as well as broadly defined Net Neutrality I don't really see how enforcing the decoupling of ISPs from other sectors hurts competition in the ISP space, but I'm interested in what am I missing, so if you could write out the argument in detail, that'd be great, thanks! > As it is, the status-quo corporate money is being used as leverage against new media through YouTube. Could you help with understanding this, maybe by providing some examples?
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Could you tl;dr the video please? Authoritarians are now (disingenuously) using Libertarian arguments to justify corporatist non-state censorship. I don't really see how enforcing the decoupling of ISPs from other sectors hurts competition in the ISP space Does such a decoupling (in truth and in actual effect) necessarily follow from the former Net Neutrality regime under Obama, or from the elimination of that under Trump? I don't think such a decoupling in truth and in actual effect really follows from either. Could you help with understanding this, maybe by providing some examples? Watch the video. Part and parcel of the thing which "Adpocalypse" is a part of, is a push from the Far-Left to re-label just about every political view to the right of Bernie Sanders to mainstream Republicans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0IYzF-zLMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0IYzF-zLMw Also, Tim Pool, who became famous for covering Occupy, covers this general process in depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Wlt1TsS-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Wlt1TsS-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXvBuYc1cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXvBuYc1cI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGEwZVplBt8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGEwZVplBt8
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Sky Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp6wRooxKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp6wRooxKU
- specialist 9y ago
  Sorry, I’m losing the narrative: Was the Far Left for or against Google Fiber? More residential broadband (last mile) competition would have saved online advertising?

knieveltech 9y ago

It's always amusing to observe the kind of rhetorical gymnastics folks will try to employ to blame "the left" for the excesses of unregulated capitalism that the right tirelessly champions.

buxtehude 9y ago
If you follow the numbers of who is regularly accepting money from Comcast - both Democrats and Republicans are happy to take their money. "Politico reports that 15 of the 18 members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which will hold a hearing on the Comcast deal on March 26th, have taken some form of contribution from Comcast." [1] https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/10/5491908/comcast-buys-congress https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/10/5491908/comcast-buys-cong... "...Comcast has canvassed the two congressional panels that chiefly regulate cable, broadband and other telecom issues, donating to practically every lawmaker there — including Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) and Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)." [2] https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/comcast-cash-spread-wide-on-capitol-hill-104469 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/comcast-cash-spread-w... While Republicans have passed some egregious regulations of late, if you believe that money buys influence and favors - it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that representatives from both parties are responsible for the incredible lack of competition in broadband.
- knieveltech 9y ago
  Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum. This is a prime example of the re-labeling of everything to the right of Bernie Sanders.
    - knieveltech 9y ago
      It certainly is nothing of the kind. You dragged that Sanders-shaped strawman in with you. Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum here's some light reading. You'll note that the overwhelming majority of the entire range of opinions detailed here bear little to no resemblance to the standard Democratic party platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

AFNobody 9y ago

> Basically, authoritarianism rears its ugly head in the US once again, across corporate, national, state, and local levels. The same general kind of gaming of the system which resulted in interstates dividing white from non-white neighborhoods is now maintaining the media status quo. On one side, it's the corporatism and Crony Capitalism the left traditionally complains about, now wielded by the Far Left as a non-governmental form of censorship. On the other side, it's legal and regulatory blocking of progress to maintain the status quo for old media and to use as leverage against the tech giants. Except this is a GOP agenda or predominantly Red/GOP local governments in the South and Midwest would be resisting it. They are the ones perpetuating it and at the State level they are preempting local ISPs in a variety of ways. You are just accusing anything involving regulations as "Leftist" without acknowledging it is the standard banners of your own party that enable it.

stcredzero 9y ago
Except this is a GOP agenda...You are just accusing anything involving regulations as "Leftist" without acknowledging it is the standard banners of your own party that enable it. I am not a Republican. I've always voted Democrat. When your expectations are 180-deg out of whack, it's time to re-visit your world view and assumptions.
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Are Democrats and Republicans really 180° apart? From where I sit they seem to waver between 9° and 10° apart... sometimes as much as 12° apart? Much less, of course, when there is a ruinous foreign war to pitch.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Where I'm sitting, authoritarians all look alike to me.
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      Then why have you always voted for one particular flavor of authoritarian?