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Let us just admit that amphetamines make people produce more output. But they pay for that, with a higher metabolic need, yet a reduced hunger, and a cold robot

Let us just admit that amphetamines make people produce more output. But they pay for that, with a higher metabolic need, yet a reduced hunger, and a cold robotic mind space. Amphetamines help me to study. But they are nothing more than stimulants. Lets be frank, natural discipline is universal unless we are talking about brain damage. Rambunctious kids are far better off learning to deal with their lower-than-average focus, than take speed which basically stresses the body and wears it down, when these kids are growing. Its not a therepeutic drug - its a vice. Most of anyone who takes it, is not so unfocused as to be totally mired. Effort to discipline self is the right approach. I get your sentiment. I can say Adderall has helped me so much that I could get teary eyed. But thats only because I am too lazy and lack the willpower to discipline myself naturally. Speed is an easy way out of self improvement. The last thing we should do is put kids on it, and promote a life long cycle of helplessness and shortcuts to mental toughness through drugs.

spiralx 9y ago
> I get your sentiment. I can say Adderall has helped me so much that I could get teary eyed. But thats only because I am too lazy and lack the willpower to discipline myself naturally. Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? Do you even believe in ADHD? Your post seems to contain a lot of self-hatred, which is sad to read. As someone diagnosed at the age of 31 I have had a lot of time to reflect on my childhood and early experiences, and despite managing and in many ways thriving, medication earlier on would have made a lot of subtle differences that would have made things much easier over the course of my adult life. I've never experienced a "cold, robotic mind space" either :)
- goldenkey 9y ago
  Amphetamine is a stimulant. Define the effects however you want to. Push out anecdotes that are pure BS, like "as you take it more, every day, you don't get as much heart rate increases." No shit, that's because you also aren't getting the other effects - its just simple tolerance, where all the effects decrease unless the dosage is increased. Stimulants are going to make anyone feel euphoric, have increased brain and body activity. If that's no longer happening for you, guess what, you have tolerance. To avoid rebound effects, you continue taking the low, ineffective maintanence dosage. Because if you stopped, you'd feel exactly the opposite for quite a while until your body detoxes from the addiction. Slow, sluggish, etc. This maintanence dose puts your body into the same state as if you weren't taking anything at all, if the physiological dependency were gone. Baseline. Amphetamines aren't somehow special for one person and not for another, lest we are talking about actual brain damage. They will make any person more apt to do mental and physical tasks. So keep on excusing the fact that you are doing a hard drug as a substitute for actually learning to learn. Being on speed your whole life is not a good thing. It's gross that this thread is being subverted to claim non-medical anecdotes about how gentle a hard drug is, and "once you get used to it, its no big deal!" It's fucking speed! Of course it makes you feel great and more energetic. Thats what stimulants do!

spiralx 9y ago

> I get your sentiment. I can say Adderall has helped me so much that I could get teary eyed. But thats only because I am too lazy and lack the willpower to discipline myself naturally. Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? Do you even believe in ADHD? Your post seems to contain a lot of self-hatred, which is sad to read. As someone diagnosed at the age of 31 I have had a lot of time to reflect on my childhood and early experiences, and despite managing and in many ways thriving, medication earlier on would have made a lot of subtle differences that would have made things much easier over the course of my adult life. I've never experienced a "cold, robotic mind space" either :)

goldenkey 9y ago
Amphetamine is a stimulant. Define the effects however you want to. Push out anecdotes that are pure BS, like "as you take it more, every day, you don't get as much heart rate increases." No shit, that's because you also aren't getting the other effects - its just simple tolerance, where all the effects decrease unless the dosage is increased. Stimulants are going to make anyone feel euphoric, have increased brain and body activity. If that's no longer happening for you, guess what, you have tolerance. To avoid rebound effects, you continue taking the low, ineffective maintanence dosage. Because if you stopped, you'd feel exactly the opposite for quite a while until your body detoxes from the addiction. Slow, sluggish, etc. This maintanence dose puts your body into the same state as if you weren't taking anything at all, if the physiological dependency were gone. Baseline. Amphetamines aren't somehow special for one person and not for another, lest we are talking about actual brain damage. They will make any person more apt to do mental and physical tasks. So keep on excusing the fact that you are doing a hard drug as a substitute for actually learning to learn. Being on speed your whole life is not a good thing. It's gross that this thread is being subverted to claim non-medical anecdotes about how gentle a hard drug is, and "once you get used to it, its no big deal!" It's fucking speed! Of course it makes you feel great and more energetic. Thats what stimulants do!