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It would help if the USA was as small as France.

realusername 9y ago
A lot of states are the same size or smaller than France and none of them has achieved to get the same internet price/quality so far. Not to mention the the US has a more concentrated population than most of Europe so it's even easier.
- djrogers 9y ago
  You can’t compare what a state can pay for with what a federal government can pay for - the difference in taxation alone makes that laughable...
  - madeofpalk 9y ago
    It's probably unproductive to compare state vs federal budgets across different countries due to the drastically different funding modal different countries use.
_nalply 9y ago
To begin start in a metropolitan region and if it is profitable expand. The problem is something different: The incumbent providers are successful in preventing competition.
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anon96707 9y ago
It is interesting that this argument is reflexively brought up every time someone mentions infrastructure. It is not the absolute size that matters, it is density and clustering degrees. And there are some sparsely populated countries in Europe that manage to build infrastructure just fine. Population density: USA: 35.0/km² (90.6/sq mi) Norway: 15.8/km² (40.9/sq mi)
- Cthulhu_ 9y ago
  That doesn't take population spread into consideration though; Norway has most people live in the south, like how most people in Canada live near the south / southeast and how there's huge empty / low population areas in the US compared to the more urbanized east and west coast.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    62.7% of the US population lives in just 3.5% of land area: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33....
    - djrogers 9y ago
      The problem with arguments like that is that when you start involving the federal government in anything, the expectation is 100% coverage - not 62.7%.
      - rayiner 9y ago
        It's worse than that when you account for the fact that rural votes count a lot more than urban votes: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-petrocelli/its-time-to-end-the-electoral-college_b_12891764.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-petrocelli/its-time-t....
icantdrive55 9y ago
I don't think it's our size. France does a lot for All its citizens. In the good ole USA--well we cater to the rich boys, and preserving their wad. And yes--I had a opportunity to move to France as a young buck, but refused. I was a dumb proud American. It's been my biggest mistake on so many levels.
dmnd 9y ago
France has approximately the same population as the Northeast megalopolis (the Boston–Washington Corridor) but the French population is spread out over three times the area.
- masklinn 9y ago
  And Metropolitan France has a density 116/km2, it's just a bit above Pennsylvania (110) or Ohio (109) and significantly below Florida (145).

A lot of states are the same size or smaller than France and none of them has achieved to get the same internet price/quality so far. Not to mention the the US has a more concentrated population than most of Europe so it's even easier.

djrogers 9y ago
You can’t compare what a state can pay for with what a federal government can pay for - the difference in taxation alone makes that laughable...
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  It's probably unproductive to compare state vs federal budgets across different countries due to the drastically different funding modal different countries use.

_nalply 9y ago

To begin start in a metropolitan region and if it is profitable expand. The problem is something different: The incumbent providers are successful in preventing competition.

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anon96707 9y ago

It is interesting that this argument is reflexively brought up every time someone mentions infrastructure. It is not the absolute size that matters, it is density and clustering degrees. And there are some sparsely populated countries in Europe that manage to build infrastructure just fine. Population density: USA: 35.0/km² (90.6/sq mi) Norway: 15.8/km² (40.9/sq mi)

Cthulhu_ 9y ago
That doesn't take population spread into consideration though; Norway has most people live in the south, like how most people in Canada live near the south / southeast and how there's huge empty / low population areas in the US compared to the more urbanized east and west coast.
- icebraining 9y ago
  62.7% of the US population lives in just 3.5% of land area: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33....
  - djrogers 9y ago
    The problem with arguments like that is that when you start involving the federal government in anything, the expectation is 100% coverage - not 62.7%.
    - rayiner 9y ago
      It's worse than that when you account for the fact that rural votes count a lot more than urban votes: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-petrocelli/its-time-to-end-the-electoral-college_b_12891764.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-petrocelli/its-time-t....

icantdrive55 9y ago

I don't think it's our size. France does a lot for All its citizens. In the good ole USA--well we cater to the rich boys, and preserving their wad. And yes--I had a opportunity to move to France as a young buck, but refused. I was a dumb proud American. It's been my biggest mistake on so many levels.

dmnd 9y ago

France has approximately the same population as the Northeast megalopolis (the Boston–Washington Corridor) but the French population is spread out over three times the area.

masklinn 9y ago
And Metropolitan France has a density 116/km2, it's just a bit above Pennsylvania (110) or Ohio (109) and significantly below Florida (145).