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Stimulants don’t have the same effect on kids that they do in adults. They may even be downers. Well, that’s what my Uncle the doctor told me

by jamra 9y ago

boomboomsubban 9y ago
Are you sure he wasn't comparing "people with ADHD to people without" as opposed to "kids vs adults?"
- jamra 9y ago
  I am comparing kids vs adults, not people with ADD and without. Kids can react differently than adults. The source of that was my Uncle, which was confirmed by my children’s pediatrician. I don’t know the literature on it, though. It doesn’t seem like good advice to try it on yourself to check if it’s good enough for a child. That was the point I was trying to make
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    Though I agree trying it yourself provides little useful information, your broader statement is still confusing. An individuals reaction to stimulants varies based on a large number of factors. Though age may be one of the factors, it is not a large enough one to say "children react differently than adults." If they did react differently, stimulants being common for both children and adults with ADHD wouldn't make sense. I mean no disrespect here, but might you have misremembered things doctors said about "your children" and changed it to all children? As people with ADHD do generally react differently to stimulants, with drowsiness being a common side effect.
    - jamra 9y ago
      As I stated, some children react differently. An example is with Benadryl. Some children get a lot of energy and have an opposite effect. With stimulants, I'm not sure if it's some or all children, however, my point was to apply a bit of skepticism towards trying medicine out on yourself as a filter for its efficacy on your child. Edit: Here is a link for an example. It may actually be stating that stimulants in children do not have a paradoxical effect. I'm too uninterested to research this, but would be interested in a professional's opinion. http://adhd.emedtv.com/adhd/adhd-myth-the-paradoxical-stimulant-effect.html http://adhd.emedtv.com/adhd/adhd-myth-the-paradoxical-stimul...
      - boomboomsubban 9y ago
        It's still not "some children," it's "some people," though I must point out that you did not say some children. Without the "some" it's a much more troubling statement. It seems to be the same for Benadryl, as the only scientific source for any paradoxical effect I can find only saw it happening in three adults. I'd take it the further step and say "don't take medicine prescribed for someone else."
michaelmrose 9y ago
Its uninteresting to hear a point secondhand from someone who doesn't know enough to explicate the matter. Acquiring second hand authority doesn't improve this matter.
- jamra 9y ago
  So when someone claims that parents should try the medicine before giving it to their kids, that’s ok? Here’s a simple one... why do some children react to Benadryl by getting a lot of energy? The rest of us get drowsy. Some children even get drowsy. Should we ask a pediatrician before commenting? At least that’s the warning my pediatrician told me, but apparently that’s second hand so it shouldn’t be mentioned by anyone but a licensed authority.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Advice from someone with minimal knowledge on a matter doesn't add to the discussion. You don't know enough to understand what you are passing on or know if its correct, to put it in useful context, to answer follow up questions. Everyone has an uncle, brother, mother, friend whose a doctor/scientist/authority of some variety. They usually are as ill informed and wrong as the general populace but use their mother/brother/friend/second cousin for imagined and unwarranted borrowed authority. Borrowed authority is actually such a fantastic sign of bad information that if someone said my brother the professor of mathmatics says 2+2 is 4 I would pull out my calculator to check if this was so. Its also a logical fallacy to suppose that because I don't support your contribution to the discussion that I support the position that people should eat their kids meds. Someone can disagree with you or some detail of your discussion without acquiring the beliefs of whomever you are arguing against or imagine you are arguing against. Try to stick with what people actually say and argue that. Lastly the idea that there is no middle ground between being educated enough on a matter to discuss it and consulting said professional before posting is disingenuous. You needn't be a doctor to discuss medicine on the internet just educate yourself on the matter rather than passing on slightly wrong anecdotes from prior conversations.

Stimulants don’t have the same effect on kids that they do in adults. They may even be downers. Well, that’s what my Uncle the doctor told me

by jamra 9y ago

Stimulants don’t have the same effect on kids that they do in adults. They may even be downers. Well, that’s what my Uncle the doctor told me

boomboomsubban 9y ago

Are you sure he wasn't comparing "people with ADHD to people without" as opposed to "kids vs adults?"

jamra 9y ago
I am comparing kids vs adults, not people with ADD and without. Kids can react differently than adults. The source of that was my Uncle, which was confirmed by my children’s pediatrician. I don’t know the literature on it, though. It doesn’t seem like good advice to try it on yourself to check if it’s good enough for a child. That was the point I was trying to make
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  Though I agree trying it yourself provides little useful information, your broader statement is still confusing. An individuals reaction to stimulants varies based on a large number of factors. Though age may be one of the factors, it is not a large enough one to say "children react differently than adults." If they did react differently, stimulants being common for both children and adults with ADHD wouldn't make sense. I mean no disrespect here, but might you have misremembered things doctors said about "your children" and changed it to all children? As people with ADHD do generally react differently to stimulants, with drowsiness being a common side effect.
  - jamra 9y ago
    As I stated, some children react differently. An example is with Benadryl. Some children get a lot of energy and have an opposite effect. With stimulants, I'm not sure if it's some or all children, however, my point was to apply a bit of skepticism towards trying medicine out on yourself as a filter for its efficacy on your child. Edit: Here is a link for an example. It may actually be stating that stimulants in children do not have a paradoxical effect. I'm too uninterested to research this, but would be interested in a professional's opinion. http://adhd.emedtv.com/adhd/adhd-myth-the-paradoxical-stimulant-effect.html http://adhd.emedtv.com/adhd/adhd-myth-the-paradoxical-stimul...
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      It's still not "some children," it's "some people," though I must point out that you did not say some children. Without the "some" it's a much more troubling statement. It seems to be the same for Benadryl, as the only scientific source for any paradoxical effect I can find only saw it happening in three adults. I'd take it the further step and say "don't take medicine prescribed for someone else."

michaelmrose 9y ago

Its uninteresting to hear a point secondhand from someone who doesn't know enough to explicate the matter. Acquiring second hand authority doesn't improve this matter.

jamra 9y ago
So when someone claims that parents should try the medicine before giving it to their kids, that’s ok? Here’s a simple one... why do some children react to Benadryl by getting a lot of energy? The rest of us get drowsy. Some children even get drowsy. Should we ask a pediatrician before commenting? At least that’s the warning my pediatrician told me, but apparently that’s second hand so it shouldn’t be mentioned by anyone but a licensed authority.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  Advice from someone with minimal knowledge on a matter doesn't add to the discussion. You don't know enough to understand what you are passing on or know if its correct, to put it in useful context, to answer follow up questions. Everyone has an uncle, brother, mother, friend whose a doctor/scientist/authority of some variety. They usually are as ill informed and wrong as the general populace but use their mother/brother/friend/second cousin for imagined and unwarranted borrowed authority. Borrowed authority is actually such a fantastic sign of bad information that if someone said my brother the professor of mathmatics says 2+2 is 4 I would pull out my calculator to check if this was so. Its also a logical fallacy to suppose that because I don't support your contribution to the discussion that I support the position that people should eat their kids meds. Someone can disagree with you or some detail of your discussion without acquiring the beliefs of whomever you are arguing against or imagine you are arguing against. Try to stick with what people actually say and argue that. Lastly the idea that there is no middle ground between being educated enough on a matter to discuss it and consulting said professional before posting is disingenuous. You needn't be a doctor to discuss medicine on the internet just educate yourself on the matter rather than passing on slightly wrong anecdotes from prior conversations.