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“I feel like I’m in a relationship with everyone I live with,” Ms. Ndrepepaj said. “If their day is bad, your day is bad.” Hardly a selling point. As an introv

by mb_72 9y ago

“I feel like I’m in a relationship with everyone I live with,” Ms. Ndrepepaj said. “If their day is bad, your day is bad.” Hardly a selling point. As an introvert it's just within my capabilities living with my wife and playful cat; living in such an environment would be a nightmare for me. The article fails to address the 'bad roommate' situation, which always happens sooner or later with these shared-living environments.

runamok 9y ago
For the first 6 years or so after I moved to California I rented a room in a house where the owner lived (once in La Habra and once in Irvine). There were usually 4 to 5 total people living there. We were all professionals and there was pretty close to no drama. We were friendly but not best friends. Everyone had their own circle of friends, interests, etc. At least once we had a guy we called the ghost because we almost never saw him. But no one minded that he was introverted and kept to himself. Once I had a girlfriend privacy became more important to me but I enjoyed having some friendly interactions with others on my terms.
whatshisface 9y ago
Nobody is so extroverted that they want to have other people peering in to their lives every moment of the day (unless they are walking so closely in lockstep with culture that there's literally nothing about them that could cause friction.) There's a reason why people born in compressed, shared living conditions tend to buy houses when they can. If you don't live in a "dorm" you can control your environment, for example not seeing friends while you're sick with the flu and highly contagious (and no fun to be around). To me this looks like a slide back in to 1800s non-rich living conditions sold as a step forwards.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  Globalism is going to lead to an averaging out of the standards of living across the globe. People from wealthy nations are in for a rude awakening.
  - TaylorAlexander 9y ago
    True story. I share a messy studio with my girlfriend in the Bay Area. We’ve both at times felt like it’s weird for us to live in a small cramped space, but any time I learn about life for poorer people the world over I realize that living in cramped messy places is the global norm. The fact that I grew up around clean single family homes is just an artifact of the wealth around me. I will say though that I hope robotics can increase global wealth dramatically enough for everyone that no one has to see their quality of life go down.
    - Consultant32452 9y ago
      The statistic that constantly rattles around in my head is that 70% of the world lives on less than $10/day. There's an awful long way down from here.
      - nostrademons 9y ago
        Per capita world GDP is about $16K/year. That's significantly more than $10/day, but it's also significantly less than anyone in the Western world is accustomed to living on.
        pcl 9y ago
        $16,000 / 365 = $44 / day. And wealth and income are non-linear [1], so 70% of the population could easily be below the mean. [1] citation needed
        candiodari 9y ago
        You can't calculate it like that. That's total revenue, not the amount paid out to employees. That number can only be said to be strictly higher than average daily wage. But probably at the very least 50% higher than average wages.
        closeparen 9y ago
        If cities were only productive enough to hit GDP per capita of $16k/year, construction workers only expected to make $16k/year, and other potential buyers made close to $16k/year, housing would be dirt cheap. If American urban planning were in line with global norms (i.e. not built around ubiquitous car ownership), transportation would be dirt cheap or free. And outside of housing and transportation, $16k/year is a ton of money. I maintain a pretty bougie standard of living on half that.
- closeparen 9y ago
  Tons of young adults live in "family" housing with friends or Craigslist strangers. It's standard in SF to convert the living room to an additional bedroom when doing that, so there's really no common space. Although having my own studio is ideal, I'd vastly prefer a relatively impersonal dorm with generous common areas to a traditional 2-3 roommate situation.
Justsignedup 9y ago
Also this article fails to point out the insanity of the housing market where a sane person living for $2000 a month would be living in a fairly comfortable space even in New York (okay maybe not middle of the city) but out there you get a room and a shared bathroom, with a private sink as a selling point? And they wonder why smart people don't have kids. Imagine even thinking about having a family.
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by mb_72 9y ago

runamok 9y ago

For the first 6 years or so after I moved to California I rented a room in a house where the owner lived (once in La Habra and once in Irvine). There were usually 4 to 5 total people living there. We were all professionals and there was pretty close to no drama. We were friendly but not best friends. Everyone had their own circle of friends, interests, etc. At least once we had a guy we called the ghost because we almost never saw him. But no one minded that he was introverted and kept to himself. Once I had a girlfriend privacy became more important to me but I enjoyed having some friendly interactions with others on my terms.

whatshisface 9y ago

Nobody is so extroverted that they want to have other people peering in to their lives every moment of the day (unless they are walking so closely in lockstep with culture that there's literally nothing about them that could cause friction.) There's a reason why people born in compressed, shared living conditions tend to buy houses when they can. If you don't live in a "dorm" you can control your environment, for example not seeing friends while you're sick with the flu and highly contagious (and no fun to be around). To me this looks like a slide back in to 1800s non-rich living conditions sold as a step forwards.

Consultant32452 9y ago
Globalism is going to lead to an averaging out of the standards of living across the globe. People from wealthy nations are in for a rude awakening.
- TaylorAlexander 9y ago
  True story. I share a messy studio with my girlfriend in the Bay Area. We’ve both at times felt like it’s weird for us to live in a small cramped space, but any time I learn about life for poorer people the world over I realize that living in cramped messy places is the global norm. The fact that I grew up around clean single family homes is just an artifact of the wealth around me. I will say though that I hope robotics can increase global wealth dramatically enough for everyone that no one has to see their quality of life go down.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    The statistic that constantly rattles around in my head is that 70% of the world lives on less than $10/day. There's an awful long way down from here.
    - nostrademons 9y ago
      Per capita world GDP is about $16K/year. That's significantly more than $10/day, but it's also significantly less than anyone in the Western world is accustomed to living on.
      - pcl 9y ago
        $16,000 / 365 = $44 / day. And wealth and income are non-linear [1], so 70% of the population could easily be below the mean. [1] citation needed
        candiodari 9y ago
        You can't calculate it like that. That's total revenue, not the amount paid out to employees. That number can only be said to be strictly higher than average daily wage. But probably at the very least 50% higher than average wages.
      - closeparen 9y ago
        If cities were only productive enough to hit GDP per capita of $16k/year, construction workers only expected to make $16k/year, and other potential buyers made close to $16k/year, housing would be dirt cheap. If American urban planning were in line with global norms (i.e. not built around ubiquitous car ownership), transportation would be dirt cheap or free. And outside of housing and transportation, $16k/year is a ton of money. I maintain a pretty bougie standard of living on half that.
closeparen 9y ago
Tons of young adults live in "family" housing with friends or Craigslist strangers. It's standard in SF to convert the living room to an additional bedroom when doing that, so there's really no common space. Although having my own studio is ideal, I'd vastly prefer a relatively impersonal dorm with generous common areas to a traditional 2-3 roommate situation.

Justsignedup 9y ago

Also this article fails to point out the insanity of the housing market where a sane person living for $2000 a month would be living in a fairly comfortable space even in New York (okay maybe not middle of the city) but out there you get a room and a shared bathroom, with a private sink as a selling point? And they wonder why smart people don't have kids. Imagine even thinking about having a family.

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