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> No, it's been shifting more _liberal_, which is different. The effects of British and American McCarthyism still put Marxist (and also any associated leftist

> No, it's been shifting more _liberal_, which is different. The effects of British and American McCarthyism still put Marxist (and also any associated leftist) thought very much out of the mainstream. But Marxism is a much more socially acceptable than say, fascism. I've seen a lot of communist themed parties where people hang up hammer and sickle flags, but rarely any parties where people hang up swastikas (or at least, they don't post them on social media !) > Political Compass isn't an impartial or scientific measure. It's center is not guaranteed to correspond the political center of the globe.

fao_ 9y ago
> But Marxism is a much more socially acceptable than say, fascism. Are you sure? I'm seeing a hell of a lot of openly fascist speakers (Spencer et al) getting positive publicity in the mainstream press. I mean, really the only reason why Milo's book tanked was because he said some disgusting things about child-abuse. My more right-wing leaning friends (pro-Tory) have been sourcing Breitbart lately, which is an obviously fascist news source. It's also important to note that Fascism traditionally has never been seen as a widely acceptable option by the mainstream since Mussolini, possibly before. This has had even more reinforcement with the US's operations in Iraq and the surrounding regions supposedly being justified with "They're fascists, we want to give these people democracy". Compare that with Communism only really getting a bad rap under McCarthyism and Stalin (And I guess China? Except only really Stalinists will call that Communism, since less than 3% of the workers were in the "People's Party" at the time of the revolution...). Communism's affinity for the unions, which in non-American are systems that guarantee that employees get treated like humans, only helps further a positive image for it. > Political Compass isn't an impartial or scientific measure. It's center is not guaranteed to correspond the political center of the globe. Of course. But it's much, much more impartial than many other sources I could bring up.
- HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
  I'm not very familiar with Richard Spencer. Can show me an example where he self-describes as fascist? I couldn't find anything relevant on the wikipedia page. Ditto with breitbart being "obviously fascist". I might accept it being a right-wing tabloid, but that seems about as silly as calling huffington post "obviously communist". I've noticed terms like "fascist", "white supremacist", "far-right" are thrown about fairly casually, while calling self-proclaimed communists "communists" is often met with derision or denial.
  - fao_ 9y ago
    > I'm not very familiar with Richard Spencer. Can show me an example where he self-describes as fascist? I couldn't find anything relevant on the wikipedia page. Ditto with breitbart being "obviously fascist". Richard Spencer is essentially, a Nazi, his philosophy lines up pretty damn perfectly: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer#Everything.27s_Gonna_Be_Alt-Reich https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer#Everything.27s... Breitbart is one of the major nodes in the new wave of cryptofascism that we have: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breitbart.com https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breitbart.com
    - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
      Your sources are an absolute joke. I'm willing to have a real conversation about this, but I'm not trawling through links with memes in them. You mentioned McCarthyism before, yet you believe in a similar conspiracy theory - "Crypto Fascism" - where instead of people being secretly communist, they're secretly fascist. I don't know how you reconcile this with yourself but I don't buy it.

fao_ 9y ago

> But Marxism is a much more socially acceptable than say, fascism. Are you sure? I'm seeing a hell of a lot of openly fascist speakers (Spencer et al) getting positive publicity in the mainstream press. I mean, really the only reason why Milo's book tanked was because he said some disgusting things about child-abuse. My more right-wing leaning friends (pro-Tory) have been sourcing Breitbart lately, which is an obviously fascist news source. It's also important to note that Fascism traditionally has never been seen as a widely acceptable option by the mainstream since Mussolini, possibly before. This has had even more reinforcement with the US's operations in Iraq and the surrounding regions supposedly being justified with "They're fascists, we want to give these people democracy". Compare that with Communism only really getting a bad rap under McCarthyism and Stalin (And I guess China? Except only really Stalinists will call that Communism, since less than 3% of the workers were in the "People's Party" at the time of the revolution...). Communism's affinity for the unions, which in non-American are systems that guarantee that employees get treated like humans, only helps further a positive image for it. > Political Compass isn't an impartial or scientific measure. It's center is not guaranteed to correspond the political center of the globe. Of course. But it's much, much more impartial than many other sources I could bring up.

HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
I'm not very familiar with Richard Spencer. Can show me an example where he self-describes as fascist? I couldn't find anything relevant on the wikipedia page. Ditto with breitbart being "obviously fascist". I might accept it being a right-wing tabloid, but that seems about as silly as calling huffington post "obviously communist". I've noticed terms like "fascist", "white supremacist", "far-right" are thrown about fairly casually, while calling self-proclaimed communists "communists" is often met with derision or denial.
- fao_ 9y ago
  > I'm not very familiar with Richard Spencer. Can show me an example where he self-describes as fascist? I couldn't find anything relevant on the wikipedia page. Ditto with breitbart being "obviously fascist". Richard Spencer is essentially, a Nazi, his philosophy lines up pretty damn perfectly: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer#Everything.27s_Gonna_Be_Alt-Reich https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Richard_Spencer#Everything.27s... Breitbart is one of the major nodes in the new wave of cryptofascism that we have: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breitbart.com https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breitbart.com
  - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
    Your sources are an absolute joke. I'm willing to have a real conversation about this, but I'm not trawling through links with memes in them. You mentioned McCarthyism before, yet you believe in a similar conspiracy theory - "Crypto Fascism" - where instead of people being secretly communist, they're secretly fascist. I don't know how you reconcile this with yourself but I don't buy it.