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I also don't think strong self improving ai can exist. Algorithms don't suddenly get less complex even if you're super smart (of course if it proves feasible P=

I also don't think strong self improving ai can exist. Algorithms don't suddenly get less complex even if you're super smart (of course if it proves feasible P=NP that's another story). Would like to point out the morally pure uncorruptible interfaces to the AI would be incapable of validating whether any tech that came out of the AI was non-malicious. If you can't identify whether an arbitrary piece of software halts. You also can't identify whether it does something nasty after billions of instructions. Also, AI in a box would be necessarily dumb. It wouldn't have senses and external knowledge. I think the most effective intelligence will be intimately tied to body (whether physical or virtual). But that's an opinion.

pdonis 9y ago
> Algorithms don't suddenly get less complex even if you're super smart The question isn't complexity per se but speed. Suppose there were an AI that had the same general capacity for handling cognitive complexity as humans, but that ran at computer speeds--i.e., the time it takes the AI to have a single conscious thought or perception, which is roughly 100 milliseconds for humans, is, say, 1 nanosecond. That means the AI can think ten million thoughts in the time it takes us to think one. So it could potentially think through problems ten million times as fast as we do. It could make the same intellectual progress in one day that a human could make in ten million days, which is roughly thirty thousand years.
- et1337 9y ago
  What technology visible on the 50 year horizon can compute anything of significance in 1 nanosecond? Right now it's more like the opposite: 1 second of brain activity takes 10 million seconds to simulate, and we're probably doing it completely wrong.
  - pdonis 9y ago
    > What technology visible on the 50 year horizon Our 50 year horizon for technology might still be thousands or millions (or billions) of years behind the technology of an ETI.

pdonis 9y ago

> Algorithms don't suddenly get less complex even if you're super smart The question isn't complexity per se but speed. Suppose there were an AI that had the same general capacity for handling cognitive complexity as humans, but that ran at computer speeds--i.e., the time it takes the AI to have a single conscious thought or perception, which is roughly 100 milliseconds for humans, is, say, 1 nanosecond. That means the AI can think ten million thoughts in the time it takes us to think one. So it could potentially think through problems ten million times as fast as we do. It could make the same intellectual progress in one day that a human could make in ten million days, which is roughly thirty thousand years.

et1337 9y ago
What technology visible on the 50 year horizon can compute anything of significance in 1 nanosecond? Right now it's more like the opposite: 1 second of brain activity takes 10 million seconds to simulate, and we're probably doing it completely wrong.
- pdonis 9y ago
  > What technology visible on the 50 year horizon Our 50 year horizon for technology might still be thousands or millions (or billions) of years behind the technology of an ETI.