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How much of the missing water is actually due to higher temperatures, and how much is due to people siphoning water from the aquifers that feed the lake? This a

How much of the missing water is actually due to higher temperatures, and how much is due to people siphoning water from the aquifers that feed the lake? This article mostly focuses on "climate change" hysterics, but also acknowledges the siphoning problem. A HN comment [0] linked to a TucsonWeekly [1] piece about how Tucson used to be an oasis. Similarly, the Salt River used to run year-round through Phoenix. Las Vegas was an oasis too. Cattle and wells turned Tucson's river dry. The Salt River is blocked by dams, where most the water is used for plants and allowed to evaporate. Las Vegas' population vastly exceeds its natural water supply. I don't think the disappearance of these cities' oases can be blamed on "climate change". [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16118109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16118109 [1] https://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/a-river-ran-through-it/Content?oid=1068331 https://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/a-river-ran-through-it/C... The Israelis are experts in hydroponics, which uses a fraction of the water used for irrigation. This is a more responsible way to use water in an arid country. If the problem causing these lakes to dry up is mostly "climate change", these people's predicaments are hopeless. But if the problem is mostly irresponsible use of the aquifers upstream from the lake, the problem is solvable.

woodandsteel 9y ago
>This article mostly focuses on "climate change" hysterics So what is your view on climate change? Is it that the climate is not getting warmer, or it might be but we don't know if it is or it isn't, or it is getting warmer but it is all due to non-human causes, or it is getting warmer but it might be due in part to human causes but we don't know, or it is getting warmer but it is beneficial? And all the views I just listed you think are wrong, do you believe the people who hold them are irrational, and do you argue against them? Or is it that you don't care what people think and why, as long as they are opposed to governmental actions like reducing carbon emissions and promoting renewables?
- cstejerean 9y ago
  One can fully agree that climate change is an important issue that needs to be dealt with, yet still have a problem with it being waved around irresponsibly on unrelated issues.
  - some_puffery 9y ago
    Right, I mean I'm a pretty hard core supporter of wildlands conservation, and I think this overemphasis on and exaggeration about climate change is gonna really hurt the environmental movement in about a decade. Just like what happened with The Population Bomb and to a lesser extent Limits to Growth.
DennisP 9y ago
Maybe it's all of the above, much like ocean life is on the decline for multiple reasons including excess heat and acidification from excess CO2, but also including overfishing, pollution, and algae blooms due to fertilizer runoff.

woodandsteel 9y ago

>This article mostly focuses on "climate change" hysterics So what is your view on climate change? Is it that the climate is not getting warmer, or it might be but we don't know if it is or it isn't, or it is getting warmer but it is all due to non-human causes, or it is getting warmer but it might be due in part to human causes but we don't know, or it is getting warmer but it is beneficial? And all the views I just listed you think are wrong, do you believe the people who hold them are irrational, and do you argue against them? Or is it that you don't care what people think and why, as long as they are opposed to governmental actions like reducing carbon emissions and promoting renewables?

cstejerean 9y ago
One can fully agree that climate change is an important issue that needs to be dealt with, yet still have a problem with it being waved around irresponsibly on unrelated issues.
- some_puffery 9y ago
  Right, I mean I'm a pretty hard core supporter of wildlands conservation, and I think this overemphasis on and exaggeration about climate change is gonna really hurt the environmental movement in about a decade. Just like what happened with The Population Bomb and to a lesser extent Limits to Growth.

DennisP 9y ago

Maybe it's all of the above, much like ocean life is on the decline for multiple reasons including excess heat and acidification from excess CO2, but also including overfishing, pollution, and algae blooms due to fertilizer runoff.