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> it's be unreasonable to expect people in other sovereignties to make special accommodations for me Nobody is expecting PG to do anything like that, what is e

> it's be unreasonable to expect people in other sovereignties to make special accommodations for me Nobody is expecting PG to do anything like that, what is expected is that PG just removes these 18 books from German access, if they don't then the German publisher can cease&desist them over giving access to said books, which would have no effect at all on GP due to it being an entity that's registered in California, so German c&d letters have literally no effect on them. GP is taking a stance here, which I very much appreciate as a German, but quite a few people here seem to be misunderstanding what's actually happening here or expected from GP.

mcguire 9y ago
There is nothing in the decision about "German access". "The defendants are ordered, on penalty of an administrative fine of up to EUR 250,000.00 or, alternatively, imprisonment of up to 6 months, for each case of non- compliance, said imprisonment to be imposed on the second defendant, to cease and desist from making the following works publicly available or letting them be made publicly available, namely:..." Plus damages.
- freeflight 9y ago
  The fact that they are talking about Germany is self-evident because it's a German court and they even wrote it out plainly, if you'd bothered to read further than the part you quoted: "via the website www.gutenberg.org (including its sub-pages) without the plaintiff’s consent, if and to the extent to which it is possible for internet users to access them (screen display and/or download) from Germany." If you want to talk about national courts censoring content from the whole www then you need to talk to US courts and their "chilling effects".
lovich 9y ago
Your expectation is that PG is going to go and add extra features and work to turn off specific items to comply with other people's rulesets. Why is PG expected to modify their behavior? It's certainly acceptable for Germany to not allow what PG does in Germany, but they don't get to pick and choose what's allowed if PG also doesn't want to play ball. PG is allowed to say it's a package deal

mcguire 9y ago

There is nothing in the decision about "German access". "The defendants are ordered, on penalty of an administrative fine of up to EUR 250,000.00 or, alternatively, imprisonment of up to 6 months, for each case of non- compliance, said imprisonment to be imposed on the second defendant, to cease and desist from making the following works publicly available or letting them be made publicly available, namely:..." Plus damages.

freeflight 9y ago
The fact that they are talking about Germany is self-evident because it's a German court and they even wrote it out plainly, if you'd bothered to read further than the part you quoted: "via the website www.gutenberg.org (including its sub-pages) without the plaintiff’s consent, if and to the extent to which it is possible for internet users to access them (screen display and/or download) from Germany." If you want to talk about national courts censoring content from the whole www then you need to talk to US courts and their "chilling effects".

lovich 9y ago

Your expectation is that PG is going to go and add extra features and work to turn off specific items to comply with other people's rulesets. Why is PG expected to modify their behavior? It's certainly acceptable for Germany to not allow what PG does in Germany, but they don't get to pick and choose what's allowed if PG also doesn't want to play ball. PG is allowed to say it's a package deal