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Honestly, I find the American propensity to blame Russia for its actions in Crimea to be of the most blatant hypocrisy one can imagine. Russia has better argum

Honestly, I find the American propensity to blame Russia for its actions in Crimea to be of the most blatant hypocrisy one can imagine. Russia has better arguments for defending its naval bases in Crimea from Ukraine hostility, than America has for .. Iraq .. Afghanistan .. Libya .. and so on. Do Americans just not see their own hypocrisy on this issue? Russia didn't invade and destroy entire nation(s) (PLURAL) in order to exercise global military power - it invaded Crimea to secure its own resources in the region. Ukraine did not fall, it has not been utterly destroyed, its infrastructure not-related to offensive actions against the Russian naval bases in Crimea is still intact. But we cannot say that about America's actions in the forementioned countries, nor can we say that Russian interference in the American 'election' is anywhere near the same order of magnitude as American interference in .. 20+ different democracies around the world. I shan't make a list - this is an exercise for the average American reader to demonstrate for themselves that there is no hypocrisy here. And .. NATO. The military organization currently doing its best to ensure Russia is encircled by heavy military assets. Tell me again: when was the last time Russia established full operational, offensive bases within 30 km's of the borders of the USA with any of its clients and their military? Please, do not play this game. It makes no sense and it just makes you sound utterly ill-informed. Russia is in no way on par with the USA when it comes to military aggression. Not even close.

ridewinter 9y ago
> Tell me again: when was the last time Russia established full operational, offensive bases within 30 km's of the borders of the USA with any of its clients and their military? When was the last time the USA threatened Canada and Mexico with annihilation? Did terrorists based in the Ukraine fly hijacked airplanes into Moscow's skyscrapers? Because that's why the USA invaded Afghanistan. Iraq however was unjustified. The difference is that more than half of America admits it and thus freely elected a new President from a different party. Match that one Russia.
- user982 9y ago
  > Iraq however was unjustified. The difference is that more than half of America admits it and thus freely elected a new President from a different party. Bush was reelected after the Iraq War by a larger margin than before, serving out his full two terms.
- primitur 9y ago
  >USA threatened Canada and Mexico I dunno. When was the last time Canada and Mexico threatened to impound a US naval base? When was the last time Canada tried to ally with the US' principle military opponent and have its military assets installed on its territory? >Did terrorists based in the Ukraine fly hijacked airplanes into Moscow's skyscrapers? Because that's why the USA invaded Afghanistan. This is laughable. Those were Saudi terrorists, funded by the Saudi kingdom. By your (admittedly dubious American) logic, Russia should have invaded Hungary and destroyed its infrastructure entirely, just because Georgia sent some terrorists to Russian territory.
da02 9y ago
I also suspect the US supported Neo-NAZIs in the Ukraine. Both Congress and the Obama Administration approved this, but only when Trump got elected and hurt the feelings of women, LGBT and various minorities did Americans get angry: * https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine * https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/ https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban... The problems in mass shootings is a problem, but no one ever wants to ban military weapons from the US military and its PMCs that have killed lots of innocent people in the name of "liberation". Russia has a GDP similar to Mexico, yet the US spends $1 trillion to build the F-35 and Americans cheer because somehow China & Russia will gang up and takeover the world. Plus, you have the Phds and graduates who think we need to fight wars to maintain our standard of living. As if Saddam & Iran would refuse to sell the US oil because they want to keep it and drink it. One of the things people overlooked, was Osama was getting to be a pain on the Taliban factions. They were willing to give up Osama if the Bush administration could provide evidence. But, the Bush & Neocons wanted to use a war in the Middle East as an excuse to carry out policies: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.te... I know it's hard to believe, but look at the 9/11 hijackers: They were mostly Saudi and planned the attacks in Germany and Florida, and had financial connections to factions within the Saudi royal government: https://28pages.org/2016/07/20/selected-revelations-from-the-declassified-28-pages-on-911/ https://28pages.org/2016/07/20/selected-revelations-from-the... The US has given weapons to Mexican gangs: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/26360-congress-rips-obama-on-cover-up-of-fast-and-furious-gun-running https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/26360-congr... And during the Clinton years, Mexico received a bailout... because most of the debt belonged to US politically connected big banks like Citigroup & others. Canada is now going to buy the F-35, so that would explain why the US doesn't really have problems with its neighbors: as long as they give US banks and military contractors money, the US won't interfere with them. However, when a South American country decides to buy other than US-debt & weapons, it forments revolutions and installs dictators: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Lethal-CIA-Interventions-in-Latin-America-20160608-0031.html https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Le...
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refurb 9y ago
Russia was threatened by the Ukraine? Really? That's like the US invading Canada and saying "if we didn't do it Canada could have threatened our existence!". It's a ridiculous statement.
- primitur 9y ago
  Ukraines' civil unrest put Russia's not-insignificant Crimean and eastern-Ukraine military assets at risk. Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation - or is voting only "pure" when America does it (lol)? Is the USA the only country who is "allowed" to protect its sovereign citizens?

ridewinter 9y ago

> Tell me again: when was the last time Russia established full operational, offensive bases within 30 km's of the borders of the USA with any of its clients and their military? When was the last time the USA threatened Canada and Mexico with annihilation? Did terrorists based in the Ukraine fly hijacked airplanes into Moscow's skyscrapers? Because that's why the USA invaded Afghanistan. Iraq however was unjustified. The difference is that more than half of America admits it and thus freely elected a new President from a different party. Match that one Russia.

user982 9y ago
> Iraq however was unjustified. The difference is that more than half of America admits it and thus freely elected a new President from a different party. Bush was reelected after the Iraq War by a larger margin than before, serving out his full two terms.
primitur 9y ago
>USA threatened Canada and Mexico I dunno. When was the last time Canada and Mexico threatened to impound a US naval base? When was the last time Canada tried to ally with the US' principle military opponent and have its military assets installed on its territory? >Did terrorists based in the Ukraine fly hijacked airplanes into Moscow's skyscrapers? Because that's why the USA invaded Afghanistan. This is laughable. Those were Saudi terrorists, funded by the Saudi kingdom. By your (admittedly dubious American) logic, Russia should have invaded Hungary and destroyed its infrastructure entirely, just because Georgia sent some terrorists to Russian territory.

da02 9y ago

I also suspect the US supported Neo-NAZIs in the Ukraine. Both Congress and the Obama Administration approved this, but only when Trump got elected and hurt the feelings of women, LGBT and various minorities did Americans get angry: * https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine * https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/ https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban... The problems in mass shootings is a problem, but no one ever wants to ban military weapons from the US military and its PMCs that have killed lots of innocent people in the name of "liberation". Russia has a GDP similar to Mexico, yet the US spends $1 trillion to build the F-35 and Americans cheer because somehow China & Russia will gang up and takeover the world. Plus, you have the Phds and graduates who think we need to fight wars to maintain our standard of living. As if Saddam & Iran would refuse to sell the US oil because they want to keep it and drink it. One of the things people overlooked, was Osama was getting to be a pain on the Taliban factions. They were willing to give up Osama if the Bush administration could provide evidence. But, the Bush & Neocons wanted to use a war in the Middle East as an excuse to carry out policies: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.te... I know it's hard to believe, but look at the 9/11 hijackers: They were mostly Saudi and planned the attacks in Germany and Florida, and had financial connections to factions within the Saudi royal government: https://28pages.org/2016/07/20/selected-revelations-from-the-declassified-28-pages-on-911/ https://28pages.org/2016/07/20/selected-revelations-from-the... The US has given weapons to Mexican gangs: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/26360-congress-rips-obama-on-cover-up-of-fast-and-furious-gun-running https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/26360-congr... And during the Clinton years, Mexico received a bailout... because most of the debt belonged to US politically connected big banks like Citigroup & others. Canada is now going to buy the F-35, so that would explain why the US doesn't really have problems with its neighbors: as long as they give US banks and military contractors money, the US won't interfere with them. However, when a South American country decides to buy other than US-debt & weapons, it forments revolutions and installs dictators: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Lethal-CIA-Interventions-in-Latin-America-20160608-0031.html https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Le...

9y ago

refurb 9y ago

Russia was threatened by the Ukraine? Really? That's like the US invading Canada and saying "if we didn't do it Canada could have threatened our existence!". It's a ridiculous statement.

primitur 9y ago
Ukraines' civil unrest put Russia's not-insignificant Crimean and eastern-Ukraine military assets at risk. Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation - or is voting only "pure" when America does it (lol)? Is the USA the only country who is "allowed" to protect its sovereign citizens?