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I chose Rust because of its combination of ergonomics and low level control available. The safety came as a bonus.

andromeduck 9y ago
Ergonomics? I love rust as much as the next guy but ergonomics was the one recurring pain point for me. So much of the language is inconsistent/incomplete and the debuggers barely work sometimes.
- steveklabnik 9y ago
  When was this? We've been putting a lot of work into ergonomics. We're not done yet; more stuff is coming. But depending on when you last used it, that may explain the discrepancy. Or maybe not. > inconsistent/incomplete I'd be interested in hearing more about this, if you have the time. Rust is certainly incomplete, but I wonder if our perspectives line up here or not regarding how exactly it's not complete.
  - andromeduck 9y ago
    I wrote a few hundred lines about bout a year or two ago and about 2k the last few months. It's definately gotten better and there's something in the works for most of the things I took issue with which is kind of nice but doesn't really help if you're not on nightly. Specific pain points for me were: - the lack of traits for numeric primitives/types without pulling in the num crate - the difficulty working with floating point types - the inconsistent type annotations in fn signatures - the type annotations are a bit clunky no easy way to alias - and auto deref mechanics especially via match statement - having to fully specify a type in a match statement or use Self::Type - the use mechanism makes no sense - no optional/default arguments without macros leads to a lot of shimming/boilerplate - having to split operations because the borrow checker can't do partials or non lexical lifetimes - the clunky range syntax wich makes writing invertible/reversible functions really ugly and error prone due to lack of inclusive range and I really can't believe the committee decided to go ahead with ..= instead of ... It's really out of line compared to pretty much every other language is doing - doesn't seem like there's a good way to nicely format long lines Overall I still really like the language but I really don't see it taking off until these issues are fixed because it makes it so hard to start up.
    - steveklabnik 9y ago
      Cool, thanks. Some of these things are being fixed, some of them, not, or at least not any time soon. (FWIW, I agree with you regarding =. We'll see...) I could go through the exact details if you care, but I won't bore you with it otherwise. Thanks for the feedback; it's really helpful.
bitcoinmoney 9y ago
What kind of rust experience do you have before embarking on this project? Also, did you do systems programming before?

Ergonomics? I love rust as much as the next guy but ergonomics was the one recurring pain point for me. So much of the language is inconsistent/incomplete and the debuggers barely work sometimes.

steveklabnik 9y ago
When was this? We've been putting a lot of work into ergonomics. We're not done yet; more stuff is coming. But depending on when you last used it, that may explain the discrepancy. Or maybe not. > inconsistent/incomplete I'd be interested in hearing more about this, if you have the time. Rust is certainly incomplete, but I wonder if our perspectives line up here or not regarding how exactly it's not complete.
- andromeduck 9y ago
  I wrote a few hundred lines about bout a year or two ago and about 2k the last few months. It's definately gotten better and there's something in the works for most of the things I took issue with which is kind of nice but doesn't really help if you're not on nightly. Specific pain points for me were: - the lack of traits for numeric primitives/types without pulling in the num crate - the difficulty working with floating point types - the inconsistent type annotations in fn signatures - the type annotations are a bit clunky no easy way to alias - and auto deref mechanics especially via match statement - having to fully specify a type in a match statement or use Self::Type - the use mechanism makes no sense - no optional/default arguments without macros leads to a lot of shimming/boilerplate - having to split operations because the borrow checker can't do partials or non lexical lifetimes - the clunky range syntax wich makes writing invertible/reversible functions really ugly and error prone due to lack of inclusive range and I really can't believe the committee decided to go ahead with ..= instead of ... It's really out of line compared to pretty much every other language is doing - doesn't seem like there's a good way to nicely format long lines Overall I still really like the language but I really don't see it taking off until these issues are fixed because it makes it so hard to start up.
  - steveklabnik 9y ago
    Cool, thanks. Some of these things are being fixed, some of them, not, or at least not any time soon. (FWIW, I agree with you regarding =. We'll see...) I could go through the exact details if you care, but I won't bore you with it otherwise. Thanks for the feedback; it's really helpful.

bitcoinmoney 9y ago

What kind of rust experience do you have before embarking on this project? Also, did you do systems programming before?